Yeah I couldn't live with that possibility either. Self defence or no, I cannot fathom the idea of KILLING someone.
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link
my dad had/has a loaded .44 in his sock drawer. pretty sure i wasn't supposed to know that as a kid but i totally did!
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Village People otm. Also, I don't think most people consider the process of loading the gun etc., and kickback means you can't just point and fire Hollywood-style unless you're like elite military. Seems a bit like carrying a flat-pack Ikea chair everywhere in case you need to sit down.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i imagine reality is a bit more sedate than that - just training a gun on someone is probably enough to defuse a lot of situations, it doesn't automatically turn you into dirty harry
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Sunday, January 9, 2011 7:19 PM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol what
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
dude if yr ccw why would yr gun be unloaded??
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also btw you can just point and fire hollywood style with a modicum of practice.
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 11:21 (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Good point, but then obv you're increasing the risk of it going off accidentally (yes I know about safety catches etc). All right maybe I just don't like guns.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
just training a gun on someone is probably enough to defuse a lot of situations
oh sure, if there's one thing that cools a situation down it's a drawn weapon
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
back the fuck up bitch
― deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Someone mentioned keeping one in their truck (upthread? the other thread? its all moviung too fast). All I could think was "oh so someone can break into yr car, take said gun, then bust into yr house and rob you?"
Having a gun anywhere near me would just lead me to worry someone ELSE could get a hold of it.
But, we simply dont have that culture here. Not in the cities anyway - rifles and whatnot on farms for animals is p common (and loudly defended)
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i've fired a machine gun and it was p tite, no lie
are there any stats to back up 'self-defence' theory? or to damage it, i.e. instances of people carrying a gun in 'self-defence' who end up using it, um, inappropriately
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not sure what point this might illustrate, but i dunno maybe it ~captures~ the way some americans feel about handguns and their place in american society:
i know three ppl with ccw permits (hi dad!), and two of them don't even own guns, or plan to.
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
HM, i know studies have been done that support both sides, but my gut feeling is that many sober gun "advocates" would quietly agree that, no, carrying a gun is not likely to effect the outcome of a statistically improbable self-defense situation. i personally feel that it's impossible to stereotype guns-as-self-defense situations in a way that could generate meaningful data. seems just as likely that a person could ace a stickup man as it is that they'd shoot themselves or a bystander or escalate the situation, or wherever.
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
rifles and whatnot on farms for animals is p common (and loudly defended)
I get that, I mean if you've got sheep and a fox keeps eating them you want to act on the fox. Also p hard to conceal a rifle about one's person in bourke st.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Didn't stop that Hoddle st dude eh?
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
iirc people who own guns are a lot more likely to shoot family members than bad guys
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 11:42 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah but people like that will get hold of a firearm one way or another, same with Martin Bryant.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i shot my cousin and his wifexpost
― fat sheets of rage (buzza), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
porn shoot or
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
popel shot
― fat sheets of rage (buzza), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Mass shootings do not "happen all the time."
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 4:18 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
rolling disgruntled shootings thread 2010
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
And it's also statistically accurate that i am more likely to get hit by a car. My point is that the chances of a non gun owner being shot by a stray bullet are extremely remote.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, January 10, 2011 4:46 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
spoken like a true midwesterner. just because it's statistically insignificant doesn't mean it's not a total fucking tragedy when it does happen.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow really thanks for opening my eyes
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw i think we should outlaw cars too
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
otm
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i think iatee agrees with me there
loooooooool xp
haha
cars are just really big guns that can take you places
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
cars own, america owns
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry. I dunno about where you've lived before jjjusten but I grew up in inner city philly - stories about innocents getting caught in cross-fire were pretty much a standard thing. so it really rubs me wrong when ppl dismiss that fact of life as 'statistically insignificant - uh, sure, if you live in places that are not big cities.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I come from a quaint tiny burg called Minneapolis you've probably never heard of
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
er indoors used to carry sw0rds to d4nce gigs
Scottish or bellydance??
― Jesus Christ, the apple tree! (Laurel), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
latter
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ok so 'er indoors = mom, right? why
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
inner city philly
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
minneapolis, crime capital of the world
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
dayo don't you know that most gun owners are responsible and know what they're doing
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
minneapolis's statistically insignificant crimes weren't as tragic as inner city philly's because philly had more of them.
wait..
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
We do have problems occasionally with performance swords. Can't get them on Ellis Island, for example. Or to diplomatic events. But that's only in areas with heightened security.
― Jesus Christ, the apple tree! (Laurel), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that's exactly what dayo was saying kerm, good job
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
boyz2men vs hüskers amirite
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to Laurel: Ah okay. I think they still do it here as long as they're not caught, and as most gigs are in the n/w suburbs with adjoining parking there's not a police presence.
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 12:10 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't know what that means
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― Kerm, Monday, January 10, 2011 9:12 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
no, just saying that okay if you look at america's population as a whole, getting caught in crossfire is 'statistically impossible' but that doesn't mean it's uniform. your chances sort of increase by a pretty large factor if you live in certain parts of the country, i.e. cities w/ high crime rates. look, I understand most of the pro-gun arguments being made itt, but trying to justify gun ownership using statistics is some bullshit imo. just because statistically only a small # of people are killed by drunk drivers each year doesn't make it any less of a noble cause to try and reduce the number of drunk driving deaths each year.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey maybe gun control advocates should look at where gun violence takes place and why, instead of ignoring poor minorities so they can demonize conservative white dudes.
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
not a lot of poor minorities arguing for their right to bear arms
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
wow, who's gonna top that? xp
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Gun control is all about demographics now?
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, 'instead of'? Like only one thing can be done at a time?
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm totally sympathetic to the argument that yeah, we should go after the root causes of violence in urban cities and that that would probably have a greater overall positive impact on reducing crime rates. but that doesn't change the fact that guns are pretty huge enablers to crime.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link