topic relevance lawyers are like a horrible rash on ilx
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
would much rather live in that scary authoritarian world than the current one where innocent 9 year old girls get shot
― iatee, Sunday, January 9, 2011 1:56 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
I can't even comprehend this, dude.
― Kerm, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
idk try shooting at your screen, maybe it'll make sense
― iatee, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
see that's not a very convincing approach to take when confronted with people who disagree with or don't understand you.
― sleeve, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey do you want to have an actual conversation or just be dicks to each other?
― Kerm, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
haha wtf is hard to comprehend about my sentence?
― iatee, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
are you in favor of the Patriot Act? cuz that seems to run on a lot of the same kind of justification.
― sleeve, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
In every totalitarian state that has ever existed the value of human life has decreased, not increased. If anything there would be more 9 year old girls getting shot, or gassed, or sterilized, or vivisected...
I can also not understand someone who actually pines for a police state but I think iatee was making a (hyberbolic) point not saying he actually wished to live in Stalinist Russia.
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
He's saying that the sentiment is hard to comprehend, not the sentence.
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I personally would prefer to live in the authoritarian world where people's guns are taken away than the world where it's really easy to shoot a 9 year old girl. pretty straightforward!
― iatee, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
That you think innocent people of any age are somehow safer under the boot of tyrant than everyday law-abiding people have access to guns because what they *could* do with them.
― Kerm, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i think some of us are saying that there are a lot of hidden costs in that world as well.
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― sleeve, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
you see I don't think that the countries that currently ban guns are all tyrannies, is the thing, in fact they seem pretty nice
― iatee, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Bro, you said "scary authoritarian world," so sorry if you meant "Japan" or whatever.
― Kerm, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i prefer to live in a world where i can coldly and calmly double-tap commie homos like you with my CCW
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i think he meant ""scary authoritarian world""
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
hey look everyone cankles is back
― iatee, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
hah you gun nuts are so fuckin sensitive
― max, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
"the boot of tyranny"
theyre just guns yall
no one is putting you in leg shackles
― Kerm, Sunday, January 9, 2011 1:17 PM
Kind of the point though, isn't it? Places where there are handgun bans are hardly scary and authoritarian. What makes America different that suddenly not being able to go grocery shopping with a glock at your side is basically the same thing as living in a police state?
― Melissa W, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
thats how i feel when people start whining about phone tapping and shit - nooo my calls to grandma might be overheard ;_;
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously, can we take this back over here?
― sleeve, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:04 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah come on y'all let's take our country BACK
― schlump, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I wrote an article about Tennessee gun owners a few months ago, just as a way to try to get more of a handle on their view of the world. I didn't come away from it wanting a gun, but I did come away more convinced than ever (and I was already pretty convinced) that in America we mostly just have to live with widespread gun ownership. And the good news is that, statistically, a very, very, very tiny percentage of legally-owned guns are ever used violently (or accidentally -- as horrible as kids shooting themselves or each other is, it actually happens incredibly rarely, we just tend to hear about it when it does).
Obviously widespread gun availability contributes to our relatively high homicide rate, and there's some evidence it makes our suicide rate higher, too. But those also are probably things we just have to live with. I'm not saying we shouldn't regulate it right up to wherever the Supreme Court will allow, and it's not like I think widespread gun ownership is a social good. But it's there, and starting fight after fight or fantasizing about banning guns outright is just not going to get anyone anywhere.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
y do ppl want guns so bad if theyr not gonna use them idk it just seems like ppl are all "its my right!" but i mean u gave up yr right to a democracy p easily
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
from the other thread:
The whole point of having guns in America, according to the framers of the constitution, is so we don't end up with a scary totalitarian government. All other sidepoints are distractions because that is the point of the 2nd amendment. And, in this modern day, its bullshit to think a handgun is going to be helpful in an insurgency against a rogue regime. Handguns are bullshit.
If the time comes where citizens need to stand up and fight some oppressive fascist state we're gonna want machine guns and surface-to-surface rockets and grenades and heavy artillery... in any field of battle a fucking pistol is a weapon of last resort. A militia with just glocks is certainly not a well-armed one.
Ban handguns now and forever. That's my last contribution to this gun-control derail.
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Sunday, January 9, 2011 11:09 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
see, I really think this gets somewhere... lotta the pro-ban people on these threads aren't making any distinctions between weapon types (which is just making y'all look clueless and big-city elitist tbh), but if you wanna talk about handguns specifically I can totally get behind that. Just leave my mom the varmint rifles, the damn groundhog ate almost all the tomatoes this year before my brother-in-law got it with a .22.
Seriously, I can't imagine anybody except like an elk hunter needing more than a 22. I'm cool w/everything else getting legalized into oblivion.
― sleeve, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no problem with hunting rifles as long as they are being used to hunt.
― Melissa W, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
y do ppl want guns so bad if theyr not gonna use them
ever been to the range, it's really fun
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
people like doing fun things
tams do u own any guns
― deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
guns should be designed to blow up if they're pointed at anything other than a deer like motorbikes should be designed to blow up if they make more than a certain level of noise which is already too loud to be honest
― conrad, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yah but guns used for farming dont need to be "carried" if gun restrictions included clauses to do w/ using guns on yr own land for eg. i get that, my only experience of guns is like my uncle borrowing a gun to kill a fox that was getting the chickens (he didnt get the fox btw) and that seems like fine, but guns as a *weapon* is a diff thing and that is whats at issue yr just clouding it.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno, a single handgun did a pretty damn good job of shooting a bunch of politicians and bureaucrats yesterday...
― Kerm, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Just in case people think being anti-handgun is in some way reserved for 'big city elites,' I direct you to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Special_%28song%29
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
p sure this is the first time anyones ever called me a "big city elite" also
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
what plax said.
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― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
jeez Viceroy I was agreeing w/you! like I am glad you were making that distinction.
not sure how that came across wrong, was more referring to iatee and kevin k there.
― sleeve, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
also agree that overthrowing some hypothetical future tyranny with handguns is fantasy-land.
― sleeve, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it's such bullshit that our soldiers and marines waste time with handguns.
― Kerm, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Sunday, January 9, 2011 2:32 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
nah but my friend does and ive gone shootin w/him b4 its p kewl
tbh i do think marginalized groups like homos and mexicans should embrace gun ownership, cuz the cops aint savin ur ass from shit
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I wasn't directing that at you sleeve, just trying to drive my point home about how I think there is more potential for a populist anti-handgun sentiment than some people may think...
Personally, my only experience with guns is with BB-guns and .22 rifles with sniper scopes my friends and I used for marksmanship competitions amongst ourselves. I'm not going to argue that shooting a gun isn't fun, or can't be a perfectly harmless sport/pastime -- cause it can be.
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
When I hear an asshole like Rand Paul bring up the hoary ol "guns don't kill people; people do" adage, I want to ask him what this guy would have used to injure or kill all these people without a gun.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
was talking about 2nd amendment private militia nutball types, not actual military ops. (xp to Kerm)
― sleeve, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
xp gallon of gasoline, bunch of match heads.
― Kerm, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that might b a little less subtle to carry in w/ u tho
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yup just got my protected 2nd amendment barrel of petrol
dont mind me
how do u feel abt *concealed* tanks of gasoline?
sleeve: if the actual military sees a use for handguns, that kinda pokes a hole in the argument that they're useless in an insurgency against a tyrannical government's actual military.
― Kerm, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link