The leaks and the ridiculous knee jerk reaction to their appearance only make me suspect this is a unique, one time only, chance us nobodies will ever get to find out how some stuff really works. Sometimes the tin foil hatters were right after all, who would have guessed, eh? (attention tin foil hatters: I said sometimes. Don't use this as another one of your TheySaidGalileoWasWrongToo arguments)
The only effects they will have is that a couple of people will end up in jail for 300,000 years (x years for every document), that security will be tightened up to the extreme for this kind of communication from now on, that there will be even more restrictions on freedom on the internet for everyone and not one thing will change about the way international diplomacy/economic backroom dealings are done.
― StanM, Saturday, 8 January 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
idk that the tin foil hatters were right. every terrible thing this has revealed displays incompetence and dumbassery (with maybe the exception of hilary spygate revelation) than grand conspiracy. if anything it makes it sound conspiracies are a terrible way to understand politics
― Mordy, Saturday, 8 January 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Another nice Grenwald peice:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/10/fear/index.html
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
that security will be tightened up to the extreme for this kind of communication from now on, that there will be even more restrictions on freedom on the internet for everyone and not one thing will change about the way international diplomacy/economic backroom dealings are done
I completely disagree."security" in the bureaucratic sense will be ratcheted up for official business communiques, which just means that more and more bureaucrats will begin moving to idiosyncratic side channels to discuss their business because the provided apparatus will just become more and more inconvenient compared to the relative degree of secrecy and progressively weaker arguments for that secrecy's absolute necessity in every exchange.
restrictions on internet liberties become generally more impossible to enforce every day, so that's just silly.
the way that international diplomacy and "backroom dealings" are done is going to change a lot, as per my first paragraph, although the degree to which it is affected and/or how quickly is dependent on how prolific wikileaks is - both in terms of how many more incorrigible bean spillers wikileaks can attract before it inevitably fades into irrelevance, and how many committed copycats spring up, of whatever stripe or purported mission.
generally, I like to think the whole "diplomatic wire" system will eventually be replaced by a taxpayer-funded uglification of Yammer, which embassy and consulate employees will constantly update from their taxpayer-purchased red rubber tablets that literally do nothing else, not even flashlight apps.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://mumbrella.com.au/murdoch-features-in-wikileaks-cables-38214
Wikileaks’ next target could be major media organisations, its leader Julian Assange has hinted.In an interview due to be published by New Statesman magazine, Assange says of the leaked diplomatic cables: “”There are 504 US embassy cables on one broadcasting organisation and there are cables on Murdoch and News Corp.”
In an interview due to be published by New Statesman magazine, Assange says of the leaked diplomatic cables: “”There are 504 US embassy cables on one broadcasting organisation and there are cables on Murdoch and News Corp.”
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
FUCK yes.
― Pashmina, Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, now I'm excited.
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Love to see who's gonna touch THESE ones.
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
The only time I have bought bottled water is when I'm caught out somewhere and it is incredibly hot and I'm dying of thirst (I dont drink soft drinks or juice). Cities need more water-bubbler fountains. Keep them cleaned as a public service - install a little filter into each one. Have em on every street corner, in parks alongside the running track.
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Wonder what WikiLeaks has on Aquafina?
― dan m, Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Oops, hahaa wrong thread. Sorry!
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
This is a pretty good piece on the Tsvangirai mess, also very illuminating (for me, anyway) about what's been going on in Zimbabwe recently:
In this particular case, the argument that (A) because the cable hurts Tsvangirai and helps Mugabe, (B) Wikileaks is therefore bad for democracy, and therefore (C) bad for Zimbabweans, is a set of propositions linked together by a lot of un-argued claims. For example, you’d never guess from reading Albon or Richardson that it’s not at all clear that Tsvangirai would win a free and fair election, were one to be held, and particularly unlikely to mount a real challenge in the kind that actually will be held.
http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2011/01/05/wikileaks-in-zimbabwe-and-in-the-media/
― Dans la Bot (seandalai), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
That whole situation is so fucked up, but really it's hard to see how wikileaks could have any effect on dictatorships other than marginally strengthening the dictator's position. You've got (a) a dictator who's so evil that anything leaked on her/him is merely very much in character and (b) a democratic freedom movement that has everything to lose by copping the wrong leak at the wrong time. Result is a dictator whose position doesn't change at all and an opposition that looks flaky and hypocritical.
The fact in Zimbabwe is that Tsvangirai has always faced an uphill battle because, in addition to all the Zanu-PF propaganda and fear-mongering and such, Mugabe is still a hero to many of the people purely because of his role 30 years ago in defeating the colonials. They're the same people who genuinely believe the British are destroying Zim with sanctions. I don't really see what significant damage wikileaks could do in this case.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Friday, 14 January 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Prepared to be proved wrong, of course.
That whole situation is so fucked up, but really it's hard to see how wikileaks could have any effect on dictatorships other than marginally strengthening the dictator's position.
i hear the government in belarus is quaking in its boots over the next leak
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Friday, 14 January 2011 09:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Breaking news:Tonight at 8pm GMT the Guardian will release confidential documents relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
wonder if this means they've patched things up
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Sunday, 23 January 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12263095
I'm guessing it's this?
― textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 24 January 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Not wikileaks, afaik?
― StanM, Monday, 24 January 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, that's why I was wondering. Just seemed odd, the timing.
― textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 24 January 2011 07:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Bill Keller says things:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/magazine/30Wikileaks-t.html
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"bollocks" in the NYT was the main surprise for me in that article
― caek, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, seriously... this is truly bizarre.
The records on Assange's alleged rape case have 'wiki'-leaked...
Xeroxed condoms? Police not being able to get a dna-sample from it? o_O
― LBI clearly believes the cat is gone (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 3 February 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Saving the condoms seems suspect. I mean wasn't the original story that W and A only decided to go to the policy weeks/days later after comparing stories? Did they actually save the condoms for all that time?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
kept 'em in their hope chests
― bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 February 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/us/politics/12hackers.html?_r=2&hp
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/02/11/campaigns/index.html
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Sunday, 13 February 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I've been tracking that for the past few days. Shady as hell all around. Hoglund e-mails have been released now as well.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 February 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
good links, hope this particular element of the story gets more play
― sleeve, Monday, 14 February 2011 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link
We might see more tomorrow depending. This starting to break wider on a Friday afternoon wasn't good for arcs (plus, let's face it, Egypt was always going to get more attention).
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 February 2011 06:47 (thirteen years ago) link
A good summary of this nonsense here:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/the-ridiculous-plan-to-attack-wikileaks.ars
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 February 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
just ran into this attack story! shiiit
http://www.salon.com/about/inside_salon/2011/02/11/threats_against_glenn_greenwald_wikileaks/
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/14/palantir_wikileaks
wild stuff
― Jan-Michael Wincest (goole), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Starting to get a little more attention:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/14/AR2011021406281.html
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Big ol' updates:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/anonymous-speaks-the-inside-story-of-the-hbgary-hack.ars
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
byeeeeeee
― Romford Spring (DG), Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
ticket to guantanamo via stocholm pls
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
inevitable, really
fuck paypal too
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
huh?
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/24/bradley-manning-paypal-suspended_n_827736.html
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuYLHCvM-7s
He almost makes it sound like the C1A might have considered doing something like this before! Shocked, I tell you!
― StanM, Monday, 28 February 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/03/01/assange-goes-off-deep-end-blaming-jews-and-guardian-in-private-eye/
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
bit quiet here, no theories abt cia mind control drugs in julian's milkshake?
― Romford Spring (DG), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
did stanm just googleproof cia?
― caek, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
loooool
― this odyssey that refuses to quit calling itself (history mayne), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Sometimes it takes nutty ppl to do incredible world-changing things.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/mar/02/spielberg-assange-wikileaks-guardian
Mittens88 If they cast Charlie Sheen as Assange, I'd be the first in line to buy a ticket.
If they cast Charlie Sheen as Assange, I'd be the first in line to buy a ticket.
― StanM, Thursday, 3 March 2011 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread fails my masculinity test
― MPx4A, Thursday, 3 March 2011 12:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2011/03/pilger-assange-sweden
'julian assange is a modern-day tom paine'
― history mayne, Thursday, 10 March 2011 11:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lol Julian Assange is a fucking assholehttp://www.good.is/post/video-the-hilarious-true-story-of-julian-assange-horrible-houseguest/
― gr8080, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
relevant!
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
curious what you radical transparency guys think of the FOIA-Michegan situation going on
― Mordy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Michigan*