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What are the perceived imperfections on "Pull Shapes?" I don't really get it. Is it really much more clunky or clumsy than, say, Bananarama?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh come on, the Puppini Sisters look awesome, in a Sunday afternoon in the Glasto acoustic tent way. The Final Countdown as performed by a 30s revivalist girl group would be amazing.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Why on earth were you watching ITV3?!

cracker repeats!

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

wonder if the puppinis will get shown pdork love...

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link

they sound like eclectism gone mad. why would they cover europe, the smiths and kate bush, when they could cover elsie carlisle, jack hylton and ray noble?

-- (688), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

What are the perceived imperfections on "Pull Shapes?" I don't really get it. Is it really much more clunky or clumsy than, say, Bananarama?

i dunno tim, when you say "clunky or clumsy" i just think : yes, it is those things. as for their vocals yes, i guess they sound "fine" but they're a vocal group, right? vocal groups should sound great vocally!

(i have only heard two songs - the ones on their site with videos)

jed_ (jed), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:19 (seventeen years ago) link

there is definitely something a bit off about the vocals on 'Pull Shapes' but it might just be that the 'dance with mee' bit reminds me of Brian in Spaced creepily commanding Colin the dog to dance.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

isn't the whole polka dot thing so three years ago anyway, fashion-wise?

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

you were wearing them first, yeah yeah...

What are the perceived imperfections on "Pull Shapes?" I don't really get it. Is it really much more clunky or clumsy than, say, Bananarama?

they're a lot shoutier and 'reaching' more than Bananarama because the song seems to demand it but as they really seem only in the same league as Bananarama as singers it's not totally convincing (but still endearing perhaps).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link

isn't the whole polka dot thing so three years ago anyway, fashion-wise?

Have you been walking around with your eyes closed for the last few months? They're everywhere!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link

well, yes...

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

he means people were also wearing them three years ago

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

HIPSTERS

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes it feels like everything has actually SLOWED DOWN. like that nme strokes special issue -- we're still kind of under the sign of the strokes! skinny jeans and all that.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Again, what is ironic about it?

In 2006, when you hear cheerleader-style shout vocals, are they immediate and relevant? Do you take them and enjoy them for what they are with no added weight from musical or cultural history? Or, do you understand them through a lens that creates a distancing effect, as in "oh isn't it funny that pop music sounded like this once and now someone is doing it again." Irony is the gap between apparent meaning and intended meaning. Am I intended to take the Pipettes at face value? Of course not. Their music and image are intended to conjure up all kinds of associations to the past, and lead me to eventually agree that they are just so cute.

Sean Braud1s (Sean Braudis), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The Puppini Sisters are the lowest of the low.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

In 2006, when you hear cheerleader-style shout vocals, are they immediate and relevant?

I don't understand what you mean by "immediate." What is something in pop music now that is immediate in a way the Pipettes are not? It is of no concern to me whether those vocals are *relevant*.

Do you take them and enjoy them for what they are with no added weight from musical or cultural history?

Of course not, but the same could be said for any specific style-connoting element in any contemporary cultural object. Am I supposed to find them all ironic? They seem to be more standard course now.

Or, do you understand them through a lens that creates a distancing effect, as in "oh isn't it funny that pop music sounded like this once and now someone is doing it again."

That's the thing - I don't find it funny. Was it funny when Tracey Ullman did it? I suppose the Pipettes are a little more goofy, but I don't see as that this makes them ironic. My response to them is not, "Oh, that's ironic that they are doing something with a little sort of '60s girl group style. Who would have imagined?"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Irony is the gap between apparent meaning and intended meaning.

I would dispute that. There are surely plenty of things with gaps between apparent and intended meaning that one would not identify as "ironic."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

If girl-chant vocals are intrinsically ironic, then guitars are intrinsically ironic.

When I see/hear a longhaired pretty boy hammer a distorted guitar, I automatically think, "This music and image are intended to conjure up all kinds of associations to the past, and lead me to eventually agree that he is just so cool." Right?

'Cuz all musical choices must be read as meta-recursive signifiers pointing to the fact that they're pointing while also pointing to other things. Right?

God, that's exhausting...

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

In the present context, irony is the way an [i]awareness[/i] of the gap between ostensible meaning and "real" meaning can be used to transmit coded information to a select group.

Ba-dump-bump.


How come no one's laughing?

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

As one of my grad school professors used to say, "Talk straight."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

>>The Puppini Sisters are the lowest of the low.

Retro/gimmick/kitsch novelty or no, their version of "Wuthering Heights" just gave me the biggest smile I've had in days.

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

That's the thing - I don't find it funny. Was it funny when Tracey Ullman did it?

We can only wish the Pipettes had a "They Don't Know" on this album. There's an example of a girl group pastiche that actually works.

Re "Pull Shapes" - I think the "I like to disco/to rock & roll/to hip hop" is a key to what I don't like about this album. It's way too Spice Girls/"Wannabe." It's like they're trying their hardest to get everyone up and dancing, but everyone's just staring blankly.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 28 July 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

the whole "can we admit that the spice girls were crap" turn of ILM lately is disheartening

tom west (thomp), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

they were crap and so are the pipettes, except the pipettes are marketed to hipsters

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

"are marketed"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

"using quotes to be snarky"

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"can we admit that the spice girls were crap"

I'm just saying that it's an approach that doesn't suit this particular project.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

But maybe you have a different idea of what the project is, then.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Album rating: 7/10

2 brilliant songs (pull shapes and judy). but the rest range from good to blatant filler.

Aditya (dan138zig), Sunday, 30 July 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.andybiggart.com/Pages/Journal/2004/06-June/quagmire.gif

Everyone who has reviewed the Pipettes album, yesterday.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:14 (seventeen years ago) link

at least the Puppinis won't get the 'only where they are cos they look good' thing [/quasi-sexist]

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I wonder how many posts that thread would have got had they been the Puppini Brothers.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link

the Puppini Brothers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zihW7WCYMs

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:26 (seventeen years ago) link

this is a pipettes thread, so that's going to take some serious math.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Robson & Jerome: oh you've gotta be kidding me... (4871 new answers, last at 11.27)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

the pippinis have better production innit.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:31 (seventeen years ago) link

is it better production or is it just a more preferable style of music? Puppini sisters music seems insipid but otoh a relatively faithful reproduction of an old style?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link

well, it's thicker production. r&j were tinny, cheapo MIDI hell.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

ha ha sorry i thought we were comparing Pipettes production with Puppinis production.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:47 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
ok 'Judy' is REALLY badly sung on record (let alone live).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd forgotten all about the Pipettes.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I really really like their album, my girlfriend is called Judy so she is a fan of that song, albeit not for how good it is and more because she likes songs with her name in them.. but then so do I really..

Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll wait for the Pipettes Platinum Collection on Warner Classic in 2029.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

the album is definitely less appealing than the demo / early singles

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

xxpost: Judy Teen? Making Judy Smile? Both classics regardless of name (yes, anything on GBA is IMO a 'classic').

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

GBA? Gaye Bikers on Acid?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Going Blank Again, but I like your thinking.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Get her 'Punch & Judy' by Marillion.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link


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