maybe he refused to be in it if rainbow beard was and the producers were all well theres no way were giving up rainbow beard i mean its RAINBOW BEARD
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
HIS BEARD IS A RAINBOW
― tylerw, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i asked the director about ringo at a screening in new york, and he said ringo is unwilling to talk about those days on camera. or at least that's what ringo's people told him. it was definitely a hole.
ringo and mark rainbow beard hudson have worked together for years.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ringo apparently is unfamiliar w/the old 'oh nilsson lol crazy times *scratch chin look around nervously*' dodge
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Was that at the 92nd st Y screening? I was at the premiere and was about to say I remember them discussing Ringo.
If you read the wiki on Hudson, he and Ringo have had a falling out.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
this was at cinema village, where it played for a week or two.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
wiki on hudson sounds like it should be the name of a new high-tech village in upstate new york.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It just clicked that this guy was one of the Hudson Brothers (of the Hudson Brothers Razzle Dazzle Show). Ugh.
― city worker, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
kate hudson's uncle
― tylerw, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
on the opposite spectrum of interviewees, van dyke parks is great in this -- super insightful, sincere, dignified.
― tylerw, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah hes cool 4 sure
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish Van Dyke Parks was my uncle.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
is there a van dyke parks doc cause if not calling all aspiring filmmakers
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Every cult music figure has a documentarian who loves them
― da croupier, Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I was marginally fascinated by how personally devastated VDP and Jimmy Webb appeared to be about Nilsson wasting his talent. Not dying young but wasting his talent. Webb says something like, "The day I learned Harry ruined his voice was the worst day of my life." And at the end, Parks almost cries discussing how Harry had the gall to give up music because he wanted to fight gun violence.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that was interesting -- got the feeling that van dyke really believed that nilsson's gift was as a musician, not as a lobbyist. which is probably otm. webb not even being able to discuss harry's voice problems was a little strange, just since webb seemed so even-keeled throughout the rest of the interviews, but i guess it was a big deal to him.
― tylerw, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The rainbow beard bloke, wasn't he Sharon Osbourne's helper on X-Factor?
― Mark G, Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8CL23Xl5yo
― Sanford, Friday, 7 January 2011 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link
would shoot ball with
― bear, bear, bear, Friday, 7 January 2011 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that was interesting -- got the feeling that van dyke really believed that nilsson's gift was as a musician, not as a lobbyist. which is probably otm. webb not even being able to discuss harry's voice problems was a little strange, just since webb seemed so even-keeled throughout the rest of the interviews, but i guess it was a big deal to him. --tylerw
Watched it again w my wife last night -- and I think that's right. First time around, I was struck by the fact that he seemed like a dick for most of the first half -- firing his producer from his first few records by telegram, dumping his wife and kid and generally carrying on like an asshole. Watching a second time I was struck by what a shitty childhood he had and how it clearly haunted him until he died -- at least until his third wife straightened him out a bit. I thought her point that he lived as if he knew it wouldn't be for very long was interesting.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
The first son's scenes were heartbreaking though. After Harry walked out on him just like the damage his father gave him...then to find happiness with a new family and for the first son to experience that.
― dan selzer, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah sort of rough when one of his daughters was like "i didn't even know [the previous family] existed"
― tylerw, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i couldnt quite parse the particularities of the 'abandonment' - its seemed like he just got divorced from the 1st kids mom - they were all he abandoned us but then there was tons of stories of them hanging out at seemingly all ages - seemed like he was more generally absent and neglectful than left one day to by cigarettes on the bad dad scale
― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda imagine it was more like he disappeared from his first family's life in the 70s, and maybe reconnected with the son in the 80s, though, yeah not entirely clear in the doc.
― tylerw, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm torn between being glad there's a harry nilsson doc and disappointed that now someone who can actually tell his story coherently probably won't bother
― da croupier, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
It seemed pretty clear to me that he left the first wife and never saw the first son again really until the first son was an adult, when they hung out for 1 weekend. I don't remember any stories of them hanging out at all ages.
― dan selzer, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
no one's written a bio, have they?
― da croupier, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
see also: harry's good friend john lennon.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 January 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been trying to get my friend, who's a writer and the biggest Nilsson fan I know, to do this, but so far efforts have proved futile.
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
My sort of hope is that Curtis Armstrong (of Revenge of the Nerds/"Booger" fame), who has sort of emerged as the world's leading Nilssonologist with his liner notes and so forth, will write a proper bio.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 7 January 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
wait waht
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 January 2011 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
lol that's weird. why wasn't booger interviewed for the doc?!
― tylerw, Friday, 7 January 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck a bio i want booger to make biopic
― da croupier, Friday, 7 January 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Owen Wilson as Nilsson
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 January 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
booger can at least play old Nilsson in the hospital
― da croupier, Friday, 7 January 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoa, Curtis Armstrong is on some odd obssessing deal. My dad happens to know him because of their shared interest in all things involving Sherlock Holmes!
― Moodles, Friday, 7 January 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
lol that's weird. why wasn't booger interviewed for the doc?! --tylerw
Dunno. He is thanked in the credits tho.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 8 January 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
"Who Done It?" is weird and wonderful.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 January 2011 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
this was pretty good, usual failings of low-budget rock docs aside
― Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 March 2011 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Owen Wilson as Nilsson― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, January 7, 2011 6:33 PM (2 months ago)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, January 7, 2011 6:33 PM (2 months ago)
C'mon, Owen can't sing. Glen Hansard might be good fit, that is, if he could stop trying so hard to impress.
― suspecterrain, Monday, 21 March 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
btw does anyone know what the deal is with this Midnight Cowboy song that Joni apparently wrote for the movie?
― Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 March 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
this was pretty good, usual failings of low-budget rock docs asideYeah, I don't think it failed on that much. For an obsessive like myself, there was a lot to chew on there.
Not totally sure. Thing is, I'm not sure she "wrote it for the movie" as Dylan's song is "Lay Lady Lay" which, IIRC, he had written well before Midnight Cowboy.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i think they asked dylan to write a song for the movie and he said yes, but he took to long to deliver "lay lady lay" to the filmmakers. or something. dunno about joni's song.
― tylerw, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
has the doc been shown in US cinemas or was it on TV?
― piscesx, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
it's on netflix watch instantly...
― tylerw, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ah is that free? (netflix virgin here)
― piscesx, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I rented a DVD. and yeah I don't think it failed that much it's just like... eh y'know ooh more talking heads and photo-montages! which is what most rock docs are composed of, especially when the subject is dead.
― Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
netflix instant is free ... if you have a netflix subscription.
― tylerw, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dswVK5si45M&feature=related
"someday in combat it might save your life"
― offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Sunday, 24 April 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Got the doc dvd in my latest batch of Borders clearance stuff. Finished w/the film a little while ago, haven't dug into the xtras yet, but noticed some missing things:
-His apprenticeship w/Spector. Admittedly Phil probably wasn't available, and perhaps the filmmakers felt the craziness quota was already filled.
-The late 70s records were only briefly touched upon. There's a good story about he tried to appease RCA w/That's The Way It Is and when it failed Harry sort of got his shit together and made Knnillsson only to see it more or less go OOP right away when Elvis died and RCA switched all their plants over to pressing Elvis albums and singles. That action became a severe bone of contention between them and helped finish Harry off at the label.
-No mention of "The Courtship of Eddie's Father" (aside from "Best Friend" soundtracking the Ringo montage).
But on the whole I guess it was okay, despite the flaws (the death thing was seriously WTF? Almost like the filmmakers figured the viewer already knew the real story). Seemed like a long ep of "Behind The Music" or (better still) "American Masters"--not necessarily something you'd shell 10 bucks for to see at a theatre.
Would love to see a comp of those BBC specials with those album ads thrown in in the extras. And it was cool to hear one of the Popeye demos on the soundtrack (how great is that segment of Van Dyke where he just plays the song on the piano?).
― Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 30 April 2011 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link