lol!
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, and one of the big things about K, or at least flagship K-ers Beat Happening, was the contrast between super creepy guy with bass voice and ingenue (of sorts). It helps.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I was gonna toss in Beat Happening yesterday, there is a bit of this aesthetic in lots of K Records stuff, but it (they) always seemed to me to be more about inspired amateur cacaphony more than cutesy schtick.
― Glorified Lolcat (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i think beat happening would have died before staring into a video camera lovingly for hours
― nakh get on my lvl (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
these guys are totally a subhipster type when they live in a major city!
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 12:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
well now, maybe. but for real, there is a clear bright line running back to the 50s w/dudes like this. what's baffling to me is that i'm pretty sure that being into bluegrass/folk music and accordions and going camping and shit was Not At All Cool ten years ago. or, at least, not a "hipster" subtype. they were just dudes.
― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the comparison is way off, i don't see pomplamoose ever ending up in this situation for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD96qMnK4n4
― omar little, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Girl in Hyundai ad should rub her tummy suggestively while staring blankly at the audience.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
They Were Just Dudes: The American Bluegrass Underground 1989-1996 (Forward By Greil Marcus)
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I may be massively projecting here but I am almost 100% certain that everyone I knew in 2002 who was massively into camping and bluegrass/folk music and accordions was also a massive hipster.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 2:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah i agree w/this--i think they have been subsumed into some kind of rugged outdoor urbanite model.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
(I mean, unless we are adding a scene-jumping/poseur element to the term "hipster" that isn't necessarily there by definition; there need to be some originals for the flock to copy, after all.)
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
In 2002, people I knew (or knew of) who liked bluegrass and camping probably arrived at that via String Cheese Incident or Yonder Mountain String Band (i.e. hippies vs. hipsters.) They could have been sporting dreads. It hadn't reached this level yet:
http://www.minnpost.com/client_files/alternate_images/1854/mp_main_wide_RoeFamilySingers.jpg
(btw, that's the Roe Family Singers, and I like them. Not disparaging.)
― Glorified Lolcat (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
there is a clear bright line running back to the 50s w/dudes like this.
this guy is david seville
― won't be on this church plan ting (kkvgz), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
dan, i think trampled by turtles is more that old string cheese audience, no?
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Re: K and C86, however annoying some of it may have been, it was a legitimate aesthetic retort to mainstream 80s rock - a rejection of machismo, slickness, virtuosity, the "adult" world, etc, which is what made it part of the backdrop to Riot Grrrl. Tweeness was politicised only as long as it was a long, long way from the mainstream (and a long way from making any $$$). As soon as that connection with the legitimate underground was broken, there was no limit to how horrible it could become.― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 9:50 AM
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 9:50 AM
well said.
― PWN: The Paul Winfield Network (get bent), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.exponentialconference.org/mediafiles/home-banner-2011.jpg
― old man yells at cloud computing (am0n), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3CzptgIvcU
― omar little, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ny-image2.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.79183374.jpg
― won't be on this church plan ting (kkvgz), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.topofmind.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1_61_foxworthy_jeff.jpg
If ya got a dry bag for your banjo.... you might be a subhipster!
― Darin, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
(xpost) Matt, yeah, Trampled By Turtles too. Are they known nationally? Sorta? I think so, I have no idea. Yonder Mountain has/had some association with Phish (sorry to be cluttering up this Pomplamoose thread with my very limited jamband knowledge!) But it is interesting to me how that roots music went from being the provenance of old hippies, to young hippies, to more urban scene kids.
― Glorified Lolcat (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
infantilism appeals to all sorts: black & white, rich & poor, attractive & not so much so. nataly dawn may have seen some shit for all i know. the intense hatred of comfortable twee seems predicated as much on contempt of the comfortable as distaste for their cutie-pie boo-boo noises. me, i don't hate the comfortable even when they're white christians with nordic surnames and straight hair. i hate sappy, smarmy tweedle-tweedle nothing music no matter who's making it. (this is not "taste," mind you. it's merely an expression of my cynicism and perverse pride in social maladapation.)though her kooky askance-looking grates, she's a million times less annoying than prancing dude.― carles marx (contenderizer), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 1:21 AM (10 hours ago)
though her kooky askance-looking grates, she's a million times less annoying than prancing dude.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 1:21 AM (10 hours ago)
see, i kinda give kimya a pass (and i don't like her music) for being an actual outsider. hyundai would not make a cheerful christmas commercial starring this person:
http://www.losanjealous.com/img/sxsw08/Kimya_Dawson_05.jpg
― PWN: The Paul Winfield Network (get bent), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
(I suppose my reaction to this particular branch of the hipster conversation is being colored by living with an Irish fiddler for 2 years and almost living with an old-timey musician who wanted to have jam sessions in our apartment in the late 90s)
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
right, she only got her music into an incredibly popular movie that was nominated for a ton of awardsxpost
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
it wasn't incredibly popular when she got her music into it!
― PWN: The Paul Winfield Network (get bent), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
but it was in 2010 when hyundai was making this fucking commercial!
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
jbryanhopkins John B Hopkinsso pomplamoose is the name of that insufferable hipster duo on those nauseating hyundai commercials...more like pomplaDOUCHE. BOOM, roasted!7 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
― buzza, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― Glorified Lolcat (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 2:07 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think they are pretty popular, like in that way that jam bands are like 10X more popular than local indie bands that get 10X the press...i think they might have a bit of that st. thomas/st.john's college dude "gear daddies" type crowd as well crossover (or dave matthews type crowd)
however, they are down with Low and Sparhawk but I think that's more a Duluth pride type thing
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
...with adorable white people with clear skin and no tattoos or piercings or 'fros!
― PWN: The Paul Winfield Network (get bent), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like people have forgotten jamiroquoi as a reference for insufferability.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
there is definite mix here of hill town dudes who grew up on farms and had hippie farmer parents and western mass noise/psych people who came from elsewhere to go to school here or just live here. everyone hangs with everyone. they can be hard to tell apart.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
that was in response to something way up there. i don't even remember what it was.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
that was so long ago now! i dunno, it's been a very strange decade.
― PWN: The Paul Winfield Network (get bent), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
get bent otm, do you think those songs from Juno would have been so lauded if people thought it was kimya singing them instead of cute lil ellen page?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
"But it is interesting to me how that roots music went from being the provenance of old hippies, to young hippies, to more urban scene kids."
there are still tons of young non-ironic or whatever non-hipster rootsy people though. they just don't get the press, i guess. a gazillion dudes who want to be the old crow medicine show.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but... most of those dudes are urban scene kids!
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
like it's not about whether it's "ironic" or not, it's about them playing the same shows as a somebody's 8-piece indie band that kinda sounds like a bad arcade fire
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm beginning to think the only people who aren't hipsters are super-rabid sports fan d-bags, unless they root for an indie hipster team like the l.a. clippers or something.
― omar little, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
xp i.e. being part of the same 'scene'
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
just read this thread and the fact that anyone in the world sees their harmonies as "elaborate" makes me want to commit suicide
― nakh get on my lvl (roxymuzak), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 7:08 PM (28 minutes ago)
http://i51.tinypic.com/2q0j85z.jpg
fwiw I meant "elaborate" in the sense that her vocals are overdubbed like 8 times, not in the sense that there's anything weighty going on there musically. my point was that the technique is a little unusual for the type of DIY indie pop where a live-in-the-studio sound is such a key part of the aesthetic.
but thinking about it more, it's not really accurate to include Pomplamoose in the twee/indiepop/C86 lineage just because they're ramshackle and exaggeratedly peppy. if anything, their gimmick comes right from hordes of solitary youtubers who post split-screen videos of their one-man-band covers of pop songs. and if the songs they cover are any measure of their taste in music, then I doubt they've ever heard the Beat Happening, and the resemblance is most likely accidental.
― i probably busted a nut when i was tossing her cookie salad (unregistered), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
omar — it's more like a continuum; there is no pure 'bro' or 'hipster', only various intermediate positions
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd believe that they picked it up from feist, she's pretty popular + has highly bloggable video memes
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
(i mean the particular breathy affected vocal style here)
my posts look like the rantings of a madman
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i think being poor completely absolves you of hipsterdom. i don't think it's a good tradeoff. just suck it up and enjoy your money.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
hipsters aren't the real class enemy tho
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
burn down a hyundai dealership or something, idk
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
im fbook friends w/ this tanning bed iowa state grad blonde event planner who loves hanging out in wrigleyville but has photos on her fbook that say things like 'look at this fucking hipster!!' underneath it lol
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think she even knows how to stare dead-eyed
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
tanning bed iowa state grad blonde event planner
because, really, who are we to judge?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i wish i was an event planner. baller dough
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link