Let's talk about Vice Magazine

OTM which has its own place, the problem is CNN picked them up and ran them as adequate journalism

Vice in low journalistic standards shocker

isn't your brother the Arthur Magazine guy, or am i misremembering?

The one on NK had all the standard commentary on NK, which is pretty much all you can expect since everyone who goes there gets the same stage-managed tour. But then there were a couple of really great moments, like the tour guide focusing on how Kim Jong-Il invented the adjustable desk, and the part where the Vice guy sings Anarchy in the UK drunk on the karaoke machine -- about as close to a "safe" subversive thing as you could to on a guided tour of North Korea.

The one about, um, Baluchistan? was pretty awesome -- the mountainous outlaw region in/near pakistan. The bootleg gunmaking industry there is just incredible.

isn't your brother the Arthur Magazine guy

yep. he posts here sometimes.

travel docs sound like theyre more about SHOCKIN U than adequate journalism
--lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej)

Otm

Vice goes to the SOFEX show:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/the-vice-guide-to-everything-ep-4-the-business-of-war-sakawa-boys-bulletproof-tailor-norwegian-black-metal/1654484/playlist.jhtml

Vice magazine is now sending out e-mails consisting of nothing but viral internet meme videos on Youtube, like the Kersall Massive and dumb shit like that. Are they going to reinvent themselves as a slightly less right-wing B3ta or something?
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, July 6, 2006 12:10 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

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Vice, the media empire (supposedly).

hope that story makes it into the last season of Entourage

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltot83xQht1qzikspo1_500.jpg

What's with the thick stroke did somebody trace Beavis & Butthead in AI or something?

funny bit in the doc abt the NYT where their reporter is interviewing the vice guys and takes a timeout to pwn them when one makes some crack abt his paper.

^Yeah that was fuckin awesome

youtube pls

lol just watched that doc a few hours ago and that moment was awesome

the Vice guy was all "I'm not a journalist I'm just a guy and I went there and saw shit on a beach and cannibalism" and the NYT dude looked like he wanted to shout, "you're right, you're not a fucking journalist you asshole"

heh i live with a writer for french vice now. she's lovely

pixx

i believe you can find pixx of me in wdyll threads passim

What doc is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLct9jNrFuo

ilx poster max appears in it (sort of)

it was david carr, and i don't remember the vice guys making any cracks! carr was going to interview them and they were talking about going to liberia and seeing all kinds of fucked up shit. he got pissy and said the times had people there first. there are lots of scenes in that movie of david carr getting irrationally pissy, actually, if you're into that.

Real ILX litmus test if you side with Vice or Carr on that one

iirc Carr wasn't claiming firsties, Vice was OMG BRAGGING that they cover real world ish that the Times doesnt and Carr schooled them

i'd probably side with vice on this one.

they seemed pretty chilled out about the whole thing. they probably never read any of the times coverage of liberia and most people that were impressed by vice in liberia have never read any coverage of liberia in the times and, hey, i've never read any coverage of liberia in the times.

this is being unfair to david carr, who i'm cool with and despite being pissy all the time makes good points. but, come on, man... they went to liberia, chill out.

they made a crack abt the nyt and they were totally shook by carr putting them in their place

the NYT dude looked like he wanted to shout, "you're right, you're not a fucking journalist you asshole"

― encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:24 (8 hours ago) Bookmark

he actually does shout "obviously" at that point iirc

DAVID CARR: If you're a CNN viewer, and you go, "Hmmm. I'm looking at human shit on the beach ..."

SHANE SMITH OF VICE: Well, I've got to tell you one thing: I'm a regular guy and I go to
these places and I go, "Okay, everyone talked to me about cannibalism, right?
Everyone talked about cannibalism." Now I'm getting a lot of shit for talking
about cannibalism. Whatever. Everyone talked to me about cannibalism! ...
That's fucking crazy! So the actual — our audience goes, "That's fucking
insane, like, that's nuts!" And the New York Times, meanwhile, is writing about
surfing, and I'm sitting there going like, "You know what? I'm not going to
talk about surfing, I'm going to talk about cannibalism, because that fucks
me up."

CARR: Just a sec, time out. Before you ever went there, we've had reporters there reporting on genocide after genocide. Just because you put on a fucking safari helmet and looked at some poop doesn't give you the right to insult what we do. So continue.

i wonder if carr's past life falling apart due to cocaine addiction figured in that dynamic, where the vice guys seemed so spineless and belatedly respectful, or if they're just like little kids generally

damn xp

why were the vice guys looking at human feces on a beach? how does that figure into cannibalism? are they going to eat the shit?

sourcing for the gross jar iirc

ha, okay, i guess i didn't catch the part about surfing. carr's line is funnier than i recalled, too.

still, they went to liberia. cut them some slack.

the "so, continue." part is ice cold

Their point was they went to liberia and shot the stuff the NYT didn't, which Carr points out is completely untrue.

^^^

fuck these Vice clowns forever and always

the vice travel stuff is great but idk why theyd want to act like they do nytimes type things better than the nytimes cause thats totally not what theyre up to

those Vice pieces are way exploitative and did a number on what little tourism economy Liberia had before they ran on CNN

not that they're not fun to watch, just irl consequences etc

new york times coverage of genocide after genocide did a number on what little tourism economy liberia.............

vice clowns

is the best Vice Travel thing the DVD. I don't watch videos longer than 2 minutes on my computer

*withholds joke*

The one on the Border Crossing Theme Park in Mexico is really well done.

The North Korea one is half-watchable I guess. Keep the FFWD button handy.

These are all available on NWI fwiw.

The Vice travel shit always read to me as "people going to risky locations and doing journalism in the vein of MTV's Jackass." Which is great because it's relatable to a different audience and not staid, but at the same time, fuck you guys because journalists really do go to the khyber pass or liberia and it's not novel, it's the real fucking world.

The Vice dynamic is pretty much about acting like they're finding something novel in fucked up or random crazy shit in the world, so it's no big surprise. I mean, their main dynamics are "artists doing REAL SHIT" or "real people doing shit that your button-down background finds weird" or "we're acting like this is really transgressive in an interesting way but it's really just racism"

i actually enjoy a lot more shit in vice than i did years ago when i was going all aggro on this thread (they give my hero sam mcpheeters a much-deserved platform so i can't hate too much), but the overall vibe still kinda rubs me the wrong way, and while i guess in the abstract i applaud them getting ambitious, a lot of the travel/"world reporting" stuff definitely has a "bros go slumming in the dank/dangerous/fucked-up parts of the world" edge that rubs me the wrong way.

but i don't think they're ACTING like they're finding something novel. i don't think these guys were following events in liberia for a decade and then decided to go over and see what was really going down. i think they are pretty sincerely completely disconnected from shit like new york times coverage of genocides. they genuinely had their minds blown by seeing people shit on a beach! they're not covering genocides but there's something sorta interesting about these dumbass guys going over there and looking at poop.