David Peace, Novelist

i'm still totally confused by 1983's insistence on not answering any of the leftover questions from 1980 other than 'what's the deal with the creepy priest?' they could have never made 1980 and the two bookend films would have existed just fine without it.

I can't even remember what the leftover questions from 1980 were??!?! The books only made a marginal amount of sense so I guess it's not too surprising that a series that removed one of them altogether would also be a mess.

SPOILERS

- the crew of crooked cops killed paddy considine for discovering their secrets: orchestrating the copycat murder of some girl, murdering everyone who was in the club after andrew garfield killed sean bean, toasting to the north 45 times
- i don't think they ever really addressed why they killed the people in the club, why they killed the girl (though maybe it was to protect sean bean's rep and their own interests?), and while i don't demand that the villains be brought to justice in films, the fact that the third film seemed to completely ignore the events of the second was just bizarre

I don't remember why they kill everyone in the club, but I thought they had to kill the girl because she had seen them kill everyone in the club.

honestly i lost track of a lot of threads; the third film just made it out like there was a cop/rich-dude/asshole northern illuminati behind everything the whole time, rather than different groups like cops or developers or w/e

oh yeah that's right. xpost

din't like the film of 'the damned united'

suspect it's not much like the novel, coz it's so calm

so weirdly it needed to be more peace-like, which i wouldn't usually say

was he trying for a kind of wes anderson look or what, with all these big, simple, stylized compositions? anyway, it never caught fire, it had no feeling for the period, and the music cues were insipid

There's not enough bitterness, fury or brooding resentment in Michael Sheen's Clough. Not by a long shot.

I thought the film was mostly fine in its own right but seemed to have very little to do with Peace

as if Notting Hill was supposed to be an adaptation of Amis!

I thought the film Clough just didn't seem strong enough, at some level - he seemed thin, weak, feeble, brittle, in a way that I don't think the real Clough did (but then my sense of Clough is 1980s / 90s, when he was physically bigger etc, which may explain it a bit)

At home, at Anfield.

Another football manager book huh.

At least now I finally know who one of the people mentioned in "Dig It" is.

Don't worry, when he does stuff like this, it is "occult history" not mere fiction. Again.

I'd like to read this new one. Anything to do with shankly,busby, or stein is interesting to me, and I enjoy peace's pop-beckett quite a bit. looks like it'll be quite the slog admittedly. 700 odd pages of repetition and

Pages,
700 odd of fucking pages
Religious pages.
700 of them.
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Repetitious. Damn you autocorrect.

Jim Smith next.

Someone on my facebook was ripping into Peace for the repetition and it immediately made me go back to the Red Riding books and enjoy them more

It's very rare for that intense, slashing repetition to translate into a book you can actually read

About 50 pages into the new one and thoroughly enjoying it.theres something very comforting about the long strings of results.

i finished it already. Seems like the book his repetition was made for. The tension from the cumulative effect of fixtures after fixtures after fixtures.the pressure,the remorselessness of the season are so well conveyed.and how even victory provides no respite as the next season needs to be prepared for immediately.

and shankly's monomaniacal interest in liverpool and football,and his extreme will to always accommodate fans,always respond to them and engage with them.his almost saintly asceticism and dedication.

Just finished Red Or Dead. Absolutely loved it. Remarkable how DP sets up Shankly to be more or less the polar opposite of Clough in The Damned Utd and the second (post-retirement) half is simultaneously very funny and painfully moving; see the chapter "On Watering The Garden."

Looking forward to it but it is not really available in the US yet. Wondering if I should finally get around to reading GB84 or the Tokyo books while I am waiting.

I've been on the fence about reading this, how reverential is it? Shankly's such a sainted individual and I'm not sure how interested I am in reading Peace's take on that.

It's as reverential as it needs to be but is not blind to the commitment that finally did for him. He knows he is slowly killing himself but never really thinks of himself. Above all it's about Liverpool and socialism and life and death. Beautifully written prose poetry; if I could write a hundredth as well as DP does I'd be more than happy.

Shankly's such a sainted individual and I'm not sure how interested I am in reading Peace's take on that.

Hmmmmmm, or Liverpool FC and Liverpool in general. Someone will undoubtedly get me it for my Christmas!

Jimmy Saville, another possible subject for the pen of David Peace

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...errrrrrrrrr

Actually I think that would be brilliant but it's way too soon and he'd be pilloried.

A sequel about Bob Paisley would be nice.

Let's just throw in Roy Evans and be done with it.

Still waiting on the Geoffrey Boycott one

I went to a d peace q&a and iirc he has done some early work on a Savile story but a completed novel is way, way off. He was really enthusiastic about a boycott book. The only thing he definitely doesn't want to do ever is Hillsborough.

yeah boycott i would read

holy shit red riding

the TV one I mean

everyone otm up thread about the flaws but still p superior stuff IMO despite not hearing any dialogue nor knowing why 1980 was even made tbh nor why nothing was explained and wait are we meant to be cheering for David Morrissey now cos fuck that

but still really enjoyed anyway.

David Morrissey is good.

oh yeah agreed but the character like

ah i can't remember who he was really. totally weird that i followed about 30% of this but still liked it.

just finished GB84 (it only hit US bookshops a few months ago a bit after red or dead's release here). arguably his hardest book to follow aside from nineteen eighty-three but completely worth it. I'd call it his bleakest book, but also arguably his best written.

I've now read all his books except the football ones, bc like GB84 they weren't available easily in the states till recently. are they worth a look? hearing v mixed stuff about red or dead, especially due to its style.

Adaptation(s) of red riding probably deserve more longstanding recognition

i didn't like them very much.

stoked for peace's plans on a novel about geoffrey boycott

red or dead is peace's masterwork for me. but you have to enjoy reading long passages of succinct football results

Hey.
I know I need a late-pass, but I'm 3/4 through the Red Riding novels and am enjoying them, if one can enjoy something so unremittingly bleak. the unanswered questions from book to book and the introduction of a new protagonist with each novel were pretty neat in that they were frustrating at first but I also find the unknown qualities and contexts pretty compelling too.

should i watch the films? opinions seem mixed with most upthread finding them a bit of a drag.

I thought they were brilliant

I've been watching the films, now. They are pretty good! Bordering on very good, but still borderline incomprehsible.

good to see he finally finished the tokyo trilogy. very good ending imo though will likely be incomprehensible to those who weren’t already fans of his style

Red Riding trilogy films are easily watched within the month of free BritBox subscription offer.