BEARDO DISCO (finally fixed for vahid) - not idjuts / lindstrom - harvey, rub'n'tug, map of africa

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The lack of vocals on "Dirty Talk" is probably Mixed Up @ the Hague's solitary flaw.

i thought i knew the song until i heard the vocal version. makes it 100x better.

brokeback titty sanskrit (sanskrit), Thursday, 26 January 2006 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

first of all, let me say i am VERY disappointed w/ my thread. WTF people? take yr italo-discussion to the italo-thread!

second, what's up with the "mixing / not mixing" red herring? the rub + tug mix, harvey's mixes, glimmer twins mixes - all perfectly beatmatched. ok rub+tug are a bit sloppy w/ the feedback. so what? so are plenty of other (non beardo) sound systems.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Last post on this here vahid, I promise from the bottom of my heart.

What is this "italo de ruggerio mix" Ronan? I'd definitely be interested. And I am definitely enjoying the Hague mix.

matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ARRRRGGGGGHHH

ok, let me try to distract y'all from italo by bringing up a couple of issues that will have some people frothing

is beardo the new big beat? is beardo indebted to big beat? i was listening to cut la roc's FSUK4 and i'm thinking - very beardo! lip service to rap, heavy funk+disco influence, lots of hip-hop cut-up influence.

second, where do electronic acts w/ strong rock influences fit in? greenskeepers? trabant? twinnie? captain comatose? seems sort of unfair to ignore these guys just because they don't use live drums / perc.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

beardo and big beat both love the classic rock? The difference being, which classic rock?

Alec D., music director of APT, made 2 volumes of italo mixes. Gomma hosted them for a while and I'm sure they're all over soulseek. Other Music sold them as well. I got mine as a gift from Italo himself.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

that latter part being the response to "What is this "italo de ruggerio mix""

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

The new big beat....sheeeyid, I hope not. It'll end in tears. I reckon prog would have a definite connection here. Interesting how it was also connected to the ambient scene in the early nineties, System 7 and all that stuff. Also Fleetwood Mac being used on chill out by KLF. Lucious did a mix for Market Frenzy that was all prog, would highly reccomend it. Then there's the new track on bumrocks, a Grateful Dead edit, done by the chap at Market Frenzy apparently.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's the Rub 'n' Tug mix cd:

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08H87IPDG7BZK1PKGD8GLEF3WR

At 128kbps to cut down on the file size a bit. Sorry it took so long, the CD was squirreled away in a closet for some reason. Let me know if the YSI link expires and I'll re-up it.

telephone thing, Sunday, 29 January 2006 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link

To my surprise, I like the Grateful Dead track on bumrocks, and I have never like them.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Sunday, 29 January 2006 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, so it looks like there will be a collection of some of his previously 12" only tracks coming out. I only found out about it from the Kompakt mp3 store but it's gonna be Playhouse CD017 it appears. No clue as to a release date (here in the US anyway). So, here is the tracklist. Anyone with knowledge of any of these, please let us know your feelings on good choices, glaring omissions, etc. I only have the two full-lengths.

http://www.kompakt-mp3.net/cwMP3Shop/images/temp/6d9d4698b6627c88dcf3ef6093b423e5.gif

01 BLEU [05:28]
02 INITIATE II [06:04]
03 ROCKERS [05:35]
04 MONITOR [06:24]
05 SURFERS [06:27]
06 SIMONE RIDES [06:12]
07 KING OFF [05:35]
08 CITE GRANDE TERRE [04:01]
09 POISSON MORT [01:16]
10 I OWE YOU (RMX) [04:37]
11 LOST [09:30]
12 BEAU MOT PLAGE (FREEFORM REFORM PT.1&2) [10:34]















matt2 (matt2), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

SUNUVABITCH, sorry folks. Wrong thread, clearly. Never compose a post in email (hiding at work, you know) and just post it in the ILM tab you have up before checking to make sure it is, in fact, the ISOLEE thread. So, so sorry. But since we're at it, the correct post it over here (Isolee) if any of you all have anything to say. Sorry again for hijacking your thread vahid (although inadvertantly this time).

matt2 (matt2), Monday, 30 January 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

harvey killed it at the bar i do my night at this past saturday night! the most crowded i've ever seen it, to... maybe 200 people in a bar with a absolutely maximum capacity of 125 going nuts all night long. it was a pleasure to see so many people having so much fun to a lot of the songs and artists mentioned all over this thread.

i told him that i had listened to those interviews he gave on the red bull music academy site and he said, "that's great!... and... weird." he also once (6 or so months ago) gave me my favorite response ever when i had asked what record he was playing, "hey, this is great! what is it?" "I don't fucking care!" and then he laughed maniacally. i was a little hurt at first but then i realized that he probably actually didn't care what it was and was telling me that i maybe shouldn't either.

o, monday morning.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 30 January 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah Jacobs, I know how you feel. The Steve Miller is also really good.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 30 January 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

telephone thing I would love you (even more than I already do obv.) if you could re-up the Rub'n'Tug. (And thanks for putting it there in the 1st place.)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

uh ... how about a hi-res reup?

vahid (vahid), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Vahid: how high?

telephone thing, Monday, 30 January 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

256 VBR?

=)

vahid (vahid), Monday, 30 January 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Or as a .wav?

(Joke! I'm looking forward to hearing this!)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 30 January 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i got the Rub n' Tug mix the first time... but i missed where its from... any info/ tracklist?

grady, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I like Campfire more in theory than in practice :-(

The Flash & The Pan track is amazing though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I like it in practice more then theory!

I always thought that Flash and the Pan were boogie rock. Since they're AC/DC related I should have known that they were a disco band as well.

(Repost the mix and I'll give you some info! I really wanna hear it so am blackmailing you.)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i got the Rub n' Tug mix the first time... but i missed where its from... any info/ tracklist?

It didn't come with a tracklist, sorry- the disc is a promo for aNYthing (http://www.anewyorkthing.com/) simply called "Rub 'n' Tug volume 1." There's almost no info at all on the packaging. I got it at Turntable Lab a couple of months ago, they might still have copies.

telephone thing, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Also re-upping the mix right now as high-bitrate VBR- YSI takes a hell of a long time.

telephone thing, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

the part on there that's like acid house with rapping over it is nuts .... I'm assuming that's an acappella layered over something else? anyone know? comes in at about the 12 min mark.

love the music on the mix but put me in the "all the mistakes are annoying" camp

Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"love the music on the mix but put me in the "all the mistakes are annoying" camp."

Love most of the music, but put me in the "I think a Doors song ruins any mix" camp.

grady, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

renard - dj cole medina aka house arrest - "buffalo bill"

http://www.submerge.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=KSD-169&Category_Code=Kajmere

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks vahid!

so to those who've heard both .... is the aNYthing mix better / worse than the one on Eskimo?

Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

the aNYthing mix is more contemporary, and more smoothly-mixed. campfire is more revelatory - i'd only heard like two of the tracks before, as opposed to about 90% of the aNYthing mix.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Have y'all checked out Eric Duncan's (rub 'n tug) mix on beats in space?

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm used to not having heard most of the stuff on DJ mixes so maybe the whole cratedigging aspect of Campfire is lost on me. The mixing does annoy me too (esp. the sudden drops and rises in volume, which isn't just annoying but potentially painful!). It is fun, but I just feel like I'd reach for a Glimmers mix or even one of those A Touch of Class online mixes more readily.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

can anyone up the harvey sarcastic mix?

grady, Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

give me a day or two ... in the meantime you can listen to it at the sarcastic website

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

beardo - bill withers, WAR, funkadelic, the temptations
not beardo - james brown, isaac hayes, curtis mayfield, marvin gaye, roy ayers, stevie wonder

beardo - led zeppelin, santana, late-era who, jimi hendrix
not beardo - early-era who, the animals, the kinks, velvet underground

beardo - roxanne shante
not beardo - salt'n'pepa

beardo - bohannon
not beardo - chic

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

has everybody seen this long piece on Daniele Baldelli and the beginnings of cosmic disco?

http://www.discopia.com/portal/issues/issue3/baldelli

theghostrobot (theghostrobot), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:32 (eighteen years ago) link

grazie

blunt (blunt), Sunday, 5 February 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

new beardo-friendly NYC party alert:

Dazzle Ships
Jeremy Cambpell, Dan Selzer, Scott Zacharius
Monday 2/6
at Heathers, 506 e 13th st, near Ave A
starting at 8 o'clock
2 drinks for 1 till 9
2 dollar Tecate beer till 10.
bartending by the Drunken Sailor.

This is a one-off trial run, will hopefully do it more often. Small, nice bar, shitty sound, friendly like-minded bartender, early evening adventures in neo-Cosmic, pitch adjust abusing mood-setting. Slow disco, weird new wave, drunken ideas.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i wish somebody in SF was doing a night like that.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 6 February 2006 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

that sounds great, dan!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 February 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost, i know of a night that almost fits the bill. it's more disco than cosmic though moroder and his ilk get their dues.

beardo - roxanne shante
not beardo - salt'n'pepa

interesting...i pasted and italicized this fragment of your post because at first i was going to ask you to explain, but i think i get it now. both artists seem tangential to the conversation here at least, but there really is a world of difference between the two.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Monday, 6 February 2006 06:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for that link theghostrobot. Enlightening.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 6 February 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

http://pitchforkmedia.com/features/weekly/06-02-06-space-disco.shtml

dom's mentioned thread is here.

Some nice stuff...but a bit confusing. These things already existed...Space Disco is a term that's been used since the 70s. And as I mention above, Cosmic is it's own thing, a specific scene and aesthethic, that claimed to be very anti-Italo disco. You mention cosmic disco, but not Cosmic. Dominique...are you presenting this suggesting that Space Disco is an umbrella terms for all these thing, or has it already entered the lexicon?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

pwned

=(

vahid (vahid), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, you give me too much credit. I regretted not writing about Cosmic (and still do to an extent); my space disco is an umbrella term for things I see happening now (some of which recall things in 80s Italy), but not necessarily for anything that happened years ago. At the time I wrote it, I didn't include Cosmic because I decided a paradigm in the mid-80s was less important than just writing about the sound of the music now (and it seemed like the whole thing was starting to be me throwing in genre names all over the place).

so yes, it's confusing

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure it seems like I'm splitting hairs, but as a person who's used the term Space Disco for many years to mean a specific thing...you know. I mean, obv. most of what you discuss would fall under an umbrella term of Space Disco, but this wider, "beardo" aesthethic, that would include something like the idjits or whomever's bootlegging of TIna Turna doing Whole Lotta Love, or really the whole rock influence that we've discussed here...say Shakedown Street by the Dead or Disco Not Disco stuff, all very "beardo" but not Space Disco.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah - for the record, I'm pitching to add info about Cosmic to the piece now, so never let it be said that democracy doesn't work. as for beardo stuff, I tried to only list stuff in the primer that was space disco-y sounding (to my ears anyway), so hopefully people will get the idea if they seek out

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

don't know if you've seen this...but one of the last Alldisco parties was for halloween, where we chose "space" as our theme. It was interpreted liberally at points, strictly at others:

http://alldisco.net/playlistsaudio.shtml

here's what I played that night:

giorgio moroder - battlestar galactica
quartz - quartz
space project - conquest of the stars
cerrone - tripping on the moon
die doraus und die marinas - fred vom jupiter

erotic drum band - pop pop shoo wah
lipps inc. - funkytown
koto - japanese war games
man parrish - heatstroke
patrick cowley - get a little

casco - cybernetic love
cyber people - void vision
the parallax corporation - crocodiles in the sky
lime - angel eyes

duran duran - planet earth
telex - moskow diskow
vivien vee - remember
slick - space bass
lindstrom - i feel space
mr. flagio - take a chance
i-f - space invaders are smoking grass
gary numan - cars
jonzun crew - pack jam

tantra - hills of katmandu
x-ray connection - get ready (special freak mix)
kebekelektrik - magic fly
sylvester - stars
pluton and the humanoids - world invaders

model 500 - no ufo's
fingers inc. - distant planet
a guy called gerald - voodoo ray
isolee - my hi-matic

byrds - mr. spaceman

but check out the full list, the other djs are ok also.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Dominique-

Nice article. Pointed me towards some stuff I didn't know about, made me re-think some stuff I already had, and reminded me about some stuff i've been meaning to pick up.

I just dropped way two much on the new Quiet Village and Otterman Empire. I guess its drop way too much now or WAY WAY WAY too much a year or two down the road. Anyone know where I can find the 1st Quiet Village? Is it a lost cause?

grady, Monday, 6 February 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, you give me too much credit. I regretted not writing about Cosmic (and still do to an extent); my space disco is an umbrella term for things I see happening now (some of which recall things in 80s Italy), but not necessarily for anything that happened years ago. At the time I wrote it, I didn't include Cosmic because I decided a paradigm in the mid-80s was less important than just writing about the sound of the music now (and it seemed like the whole thing was starting to be me throwing in genre names all over the place).
so yes, it's confusing

-- Dominique (d_leon...), February 6th, 2006.

I'm going to go out on a wild limb here (not at all really) and suggest that maybe it's confusing because you are, in fact, confused about it yourself, because you basically mined this whole idea from Dan (who first pointed this out) and Vahid (who further developed the idea on this thread) and that's really lame, and definitely unethical.

Yes, the idea of beardo house is not something exclusively owned by anyone, as those individuals inclined to pay close attention to trends emerging in more general music genres will note new patterns all on their own, but your title shift from beardo house to "Space Disco" makes your alleged reporting highly suspect, because Space Disco is actually a term that has been used long before Lindstrom's day, and though posters on ILM can hardly make a claim to intellectual property rights, the fact is that you actually get paid for your articles (amount is irrelevant), so the fact that you published this work without at least offering to cite your sources seems both unfortunate and plagaristic.

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, pitchfork asked me to write this before xmas, so I'd been collecting data since then. I will give Dan (and this thread) credit tho - lots of great ideas and info here. I was definitely inpsired to write more about "what came before" as a result of some of the links posted here. "space disco" is what I posted on the pfork staff board in october when I talked about this music, so I just kept it for the piece

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough I suppose.

ILM is a unique lab among the "for fun" internet forums, because while there's no doubt pretty much everyone on here is doing so for the love, it still none-the-less offers a goldmine of information from some highly credible sources (some known in larger circles as writers or musicians, some unknown but still brilliant writer/theorists in terms of music) and it would probably be a better idea for the writers on here to give credit where/when it's due.

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link


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