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No A-Rod? Or am I just missing him?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

just pitchers i think?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh I see!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dumb. It is different sheet.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Francisco Liriano:
31 GS, 10-7, 1.20 WHIP, 3.08 ERA, #10 in VORP for pitchers.

:-(

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Is he even supposed to be ready by April 1st?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

he's actually a maybe for 2008?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Gil Meche - $616,666.667 per win.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

THE BEST I EVER HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Julio Franco's comparables: Satchel Paige, Strom Thurmond, George Blanda, Harriet the Galapagos Tortoise.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I think their projections for Cory Lidle might need some finessing.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Jason Kendall's 5.8 VORP (#45 of MLB Catchers) will cost the A's $12M.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

$7M, I think, because they are getting $5M from Pittsburgh.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought that was last year only?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

PECOTA is incredibly optimistic with rookies, almost to a fault.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

also, i wish they did multi-position eligibility.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i am dumm, how do i shot position players on this thing

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

there are tabs at the bottom of the screen:

hitters, pitchers, notes

click on each tab.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Projected Awards:

NL All-Stars:
C: Brian McCann
1B: Pujols
2B: Utley
3B: Cabrera
SS: Bill Hall
RF: Brian Giles
CF: Carlos Beltran
LF: Soriano

AL All-Stars:
C: Mauer
1B: Teixeira
2B: Cano
3B: A-Rod
SS: Jeter
RF: Vlad
CF: Sizemore
LF: ManRam
DH: Hafner

NL MVP: Pujols, Cabrera, Wright
AL MVP: Hafner, Mauer, Ortiz

NL CY: Webb, Peavy, Pedro
AL CY: Johan, Halladay, Bonderman

NL Relief: Wagner, Lidge, Broxton
AL Relief: K-Rod, Nathan, BJ Ryan

Can someone tabulate the ROYs? I'm not sure who's eligible. I know that Tim Lincecum (SF SP) and Philip Hughes (NYY SP) are projecting high.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh, Pedro for NL CY? What year is this? And Giles, pfft.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Jason Kendall's 5.8 VORP (#45 of MLB Catchers) will cost the A's $12M.

Yeah, but he's projected to hit a HR in 2007! You wouldn't want to miss this once-in-a-season event!

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

PECOTA cards are out.

5-year projected values:
Barry Zito, $34.05mn
Alfonso Soriano, $61.3
Joe Mauer, $150.775
Poo-holes, $153.6
Johan Santana, $96.65
A-Rod, $83.0
Grady Sizemore, $118.075
Barry Bonds, $10.775

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 21 January 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Admittedly, I know very little about this whole PECOTA thing, but as far as I can tell it's some kind of projection of a players performance for the upcoming season. What is really confusing me is the Stat of the Day that came in the BP Newsletter today:

Top 5 2007 NL Second Basemen, by PECOTA Projected VORP

Player, Team, EqA, VORP

Chase Utley, PHI, .295, 49.0
Ray Durham, SFN, .295, 38.7
Eric Patterson, CHN, .280, 34.9
Brooks Conrad, HOU, .279, 29.2
Jeff Kent, LAN, .291, 28.2


Do the BP people expect that this guy is going to get significant playing time a 2B this year? He is not even on the radar here in Houston. Right now Biggio start at 2B regularly until he get his 3000th hit, then, according the conventional wisdom, he'll split time there with Mark Lorretta, who the Astros signed in the offseason to be a "super-utility" guy. The other future 2B on the Astros is Chris Burke, who will be playing CF this season now that Willy T has been traded.

So why does BP figure a PECOTA for Brooks Conrad and what makes them think he'll have the 4th best season in the NL at that position?

boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I think if you email whoever the chief PECOTA guy at BP is, he'll tell you.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Nate Silver is the chief PECOTA guy.

Basically I think the PECOTA projection means that if Brooks Conrad plays 2B (which he won't) and gets 516 AB (which he also won't) and hits as well as PECOTA projects he will (which given his #s in AAA isn't entirely unwarranted) he would be this valuable over the course of the year (in a league with weak 2B for the most.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

PECOTA is saying the Astros are dumb if they don't play him.

milo z (mlp), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

PECOTA is incredibly optimistic with rookies, almost to a fault.

-- Steve Shasta (steveshast...), January 16th, 2007 3:14 PM. (Steve Shasta)

^^^^^OTM x 10000000000000000000000^^^^

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 10 February 2007 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

case in point, look at Kevin Frandsen's projections last year vs:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7749

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 10 February 2007 08:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What was his projection last year? His numbers look really good (but of course he only got 83 ABs.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 February 2007 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh wait I totally misread that line (they look terrible haha.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 February 2007 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I think this Nate Silver post actually answers the question above:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=190

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 11 February 2007 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Christina Kahrl: the good news is that we should be posting PECOTA leaderboard lists here on BP.com at some point next week.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Any reaction to the PECOTA team win forecasts ?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Seems reasonable to me, at least in who they're projecting for the top spots. I hope the Brewers win that much.

An NL Central-leading OBP for the Cubs is RISIBLE, however.

mattbot, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

but it's cuz of their .275 BA.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the A's prediction is low, but that might just be wishful thinking on my part. I suspect that if Harden/Crosby stay healthy and Piazza plays well, the A's will win 90+.

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

lotta ifs, and Piazza is no Big Hurt. They're also thinking Chavez has peaked.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I think they are wrong about that too. A lot of the A's underperformed or had their seasons curtailed by injuries. If the A's can stay healthier (sure it's an IF but health always is) and those guys step up, I think the A's still have a really good team. Plus I just don't see their division as being that strong and the Angels have just about as many health questions as the A's do.

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Basically 80-82 seems like the absolute worst case scenario to me.

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I'm dreading the next update... the Mets are already a game behind the Phillies with Duaner for 55 IP.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

YSI?

Steve Shasta, Friday, 8 February 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link

:`(

Steve Shasta, Friday, 8 February 2008 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link

"Basically 80-82 seems like the absolute worst case scenario to me."

HAHAHA!

Alex in SF, Friday, 8 February 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Also LOL:

Zito's ERA goin up that much is weird.
-- Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:41 AM (1 year ago)

and some!

Steve Shasta, Friday, 8 February 2008 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Joe Kennedy, Swing, TOR:

40 G, 9 GS, 4.78 ERA, 1.50 WHIP

I think it is safe to say that he will underperform his 2008 PECOTA prediction.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 11 February 2008 10:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Peavy: 212 IP, 223K, 1.13 WHIP, 2.98 ERA

Santana: 225 IP, 239K, 1.08 WHIP, 2.94 ERA

This would be a hell of a Cy Young battle -- the closest matchup in years!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 11 February 2008 10:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Is Santana's league adjusted?

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes -- he's listed as a Met.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link

What are the numbers on the Reds Brandon Phillips?

earlnash, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link

.274/.325/.444
20 HR, 20 SB
22.4 VORP

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

end of the year--his contract was up i guess? did not know they were under contract. he just said they were going separate ways. i won't really miss him.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

CHONE projected standings are out, for comparison...

http://baseballprojection.com/2010/standings2010.htm

looks mostly the same i guess

ciderpress, Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I dont see how the Dodgers give up fewest runs in mlb short of legendary pitching performances. The defense isnt that great. The only plus defenders I can think of are Kemp, Blake and Furcal (if you dont count throwing errors). Martins defense has been falling off, and Loney has a good reputation but its not backed up by numbers PECOTA would probably use..

― mayor jingleberries, Monday, February 1, 2010 2:17 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark

pecota's pretty bad at understanding defense and projecting rosters, which is why they couldnt anticipate (say) the mariners' run prevention being good enough to have them contending in the west

yakko warner (cankles), Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link

strange how CHONE predicts the Giants can go from Wild Card Contenders up until the last 8 days of the season to last place in the weak NL West with essentially the same offense (if Randy Winn & Ryan Garko = Mark DeRosa & Aubrey Huff which shouldn't be too difficult to replicate) and an improving pitching staff (Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Zito + closer Wilson)...? Not saying they were fluky last year but they'll probably finish mid-pack in the NL, rather than in the bottom only 2 games ahead of the Nats/Pirates/Astros/Mets.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 6 February 2010 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Ha, this has got to be Nate Silver:
http://www.sporcle.com/user/nrsilver/

Lusty Mo Frazier (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

supposedly pecota is out.. again.

supposedly it hates the shit out of my team. =( I dont subscribe so I cant see, but Im not sure I really want to.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link

who's your team again? (sorry)

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link

how has pecota's accuracy been for the last couple years?

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

i remember the last time a blog did an analysis of all the stat forecast systems and PECOTA ranked below average.

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

a few years ago TSN (which is the Canadian's little espn) had done their own baseball forecasts - and i'd only looked at the J's stats but TSN was closer than PECOTA was.

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

my team is the dodgers. my purely speculative and non computer generated prediction is a team obp of .325 this year. or lower.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 7 February 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I just opened PECOTA, and really don't much care about individual player projections.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Not really sure why someone who wasn't a GM or fantasy ballplayer would.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm intrigued by the depth charts, though, which aren't out til next week.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

When do the Fangraphs projections come out?

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

those fan projections are dogshit, they're being trolled this year pretty hard. heyward looks to be a top five OFer and tommy hanson will pitch better than cliff lee.

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&webtag=ml-braves&tid=149282

sanskrit, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link

tommy hanson will pitch better than cliff lee

not impossible, imho!

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

ZIPS is the best one on fangraphs and it's not up there yet but i'm pretty sure they've all been calculated since they're rolling them out team by team at http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/newsblog/ (ignore the top post, that's a sticky from last year that hasn't been updated)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link

ok, i guess BP isn't all that bad.. Ferris! http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12877

sanskrit, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Is .325 OBP an unrealistic projection for the Dodgers, though? Your strength this season is likely to be your pitching staff, but even so you're likely to be 3rd favourite in the NL West, I'd have thought (ahead of two pretty poor teams).

Mark C, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

has the mets @ 80 wins!

johnny crunch, Monday, 18 February 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link

noted last week

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 02:06 (eleven years ago) link

behind some numbers

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=19673

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 March 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

It's out, and projects 73 steals for Billy Hamilton

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 12:41 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...
eleven months pass...

projects Angels at 80-82.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

vlad jr, 14th-most valuable position player of 2019, just ahead of aaron judge

mookieproof, Friday, 2 November 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

go bucs

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings

mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link


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