What got you into "alternative" music

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Well tom we actually agree on a lot of things. I am a bit too old (I think I am older than you?) to get actually hot over any music related issue, the whole music - cool thing pretty much goes away (though I do have some friends who still judge a potential date partially on the type of music he/she likes). I will say this, absolutely noone I know thinks my enjoyment of bubblegum music is cool. Anyway, yeah, pop stars probably make the worst kind of guru. Even worst than actual guru gurus.

g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I guess I will actually answer the thread's question. Obviously, I was trying to impress a girl.

g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Velvet Underground, mainly through hearing about it off-hand. From there, trying to find more bands that sounded simmilar, I got into Sonic Youth," -- yeah way to flee the "mainistream".

I always liked money and cars. Lyrics about them though, that took me a while.

Okay, to answer the question, Thomas Pynchon and I don't regret it.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pynchon? I know he likes Lotion but how else?

g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

That started it all.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

the pretty in pink soundtrack.

keith (keithmcl), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

john peel (the fall, the field mice, butthole surfers)

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

my brother, tim westwood on capital radio (for hip hop at least), annie nightingale, record mirror, snub tv and dance energy, then radio 1, nme and the big dance mags i guess

blueski, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

A little taste of punk/new wave from a cover band in 6th and 7th grades, followed by the overwhelming impact of discovering Penn.'s WXPN in 8th grade: punk/wave, yes; but also 20th century classical/avant-garde, electronic music, progressive/art rock/Krautrock, reggae, free jazz, unfamiliar music from foreign countries, Medieval music, among other things. I had been somewhat bored with rock and roll, but I was also drawn by the thrill of joining some sort of listening elite. I definitely didn't do it out of peer pressure since I was pretty isolated and if anything I tended to occasionally turn one of my friends onto some of this stuff, not generally the other way around. (By the end of high school I made friends with a couple people, a student and his father, who were both interested in a big segment of this music.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

if alternative = indie rather than metal then i guess Mark Radcliffe's old late night show on Radio 1 and buying NME cos it had Rocket From The Crypt on the cover.

Wyndham Earl, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link


one word: skateboarding.

m.

msp, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

three words: escaping small town

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pixies.

Kenan, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sonic Youth for indie rock type stuff.

Before that was punk with Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat et al.

Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Older brother here, too, I guess. He went away to college in '85 & after that I heard plenty of "college rock." But come to think of it some of my high school friends like The Smiths & REM a lot, around the same time. For me it was never a pop vs. alternative thing -- I was a classic rocker! I considered Classic Rock an alternative to the mainstream since day one.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

And hey Jess PE is alternative all the way!

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

well, NOW yes.

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

well, AT THE TIME, too. and you were not "right all along," you were right BOTH TIMES.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

sisters who had sizeable crushes on skaters and early-mid 80s skate music.

which may speak for my recent/current VIOLENT RAMP obsession.

gygax!, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave Kendall-era 120 Minutes. Reading Alternative Press and Ray Gun in the bookstore because I was a poor high school student and needed money to buy albums. Pretty Hate Machine. Trompe Le Monde. No Pocky For Kitty. Slanted And Enchanted. And of course, Nevermind.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 02:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

This bloke a few years above me at school called Matt Vickers, who played The Cure's "A Forest" a lot. I asked him what it was, and my life changed forever, basically. The Cure, The Smiths, JAMC, Pixies, New Order, JD, Sisters, Siouxsie and so forth. Vector, wherever you are, I salute you - you made me the shadow of a man I am today!

That, and Peel - got me into everything from The Flaming Lips, Pavement & Pulp to minimalist techno, early drum'n'bass, German folk music and African pop. Still don't like The Fall much, but.

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 03:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

when i was starting high school there was a girl i liked who was into dying her hair, nine inch nails, jesus & mary chain and all that fun stuff.
smoked weed ever since.

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 07:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I blame my parents, the weirdoes! Trying to raise children as "Bohemian" and "Intellectual" and "British" in suburban Connecticut, what did they expect?

Seriously, if I could point to one thing that turned me musically weird... WCDB Albany, NY. Used to be the most amazing college radio station. Now I hear it's all sports all the time or something... ugh.

kate, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 09:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like to travel off the beaten tracks. It's in my blood I guess.
The realm of "alternative" music is so much wider than mainstream chartpop.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 10:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes all the way from Wilco to Ryan Adams in your case Alex!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 10:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

**The realm of "alternative" music is so much wider than mainstream chartpop.**

Depends on how you define it obv, but if we mean alternative *mainly guitar-based music*, then I'd say it's narrower in every way - ambition, emotional range, use of sound, willingness to experiment and so on.

Also doesn't *alternative* get in the charts? Or does getting in the charts disqualify it as *alternative*? Which is silly.

The use of alternative seems so early 80's.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 10:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

On the other hand - "The range of music that doesnt get in the pop charts is greater than the range of music that does" - yeah I'd agree with this, it seems unarguable.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

To answer the orig question - the CHARTS and TV!

Pre-punk I was into whatever was in the charts plus the odd bit of prog which friends' elder brothers usually had. I also saw non-chart stuff on OGWT, but didn't really connect with it as much as chart music. Punk took its time to travel to the rural North, so I was about 6 months behind London. We'd heard The Pistols/Damned/Ramones/Subway Sect/Buzzcocks etc on J.Peel and read about them in the music press, but didn't fully get into it until the first punk recds hit the charts in 1977. I remember watching the Tony Wilson program 'So It Goes' too, but that was 1978 wasn't it?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 10:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

You forgot 16 Horsepower, Calexico, Giant Sand, Gillian Welch etc. Tom. ;-)

And Boards of Canada, Neu!, Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, Field Mice, Montgolfier Brothers, Godspeed YBE!, Cat Power, Pixies, Jesus & Mary Chain, Tocotronic to name but a few. I like alt-country but there is a lot of alternative music I like which has nothing to do with it.

P.S. Concerning the definition of alternative in this thread, have a look at the question, Dr.C:
And by Alternative I dont just mean Alternative rock. I mean, pretty much, anything that isnt mainstream

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 10:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Skater friend of mine who was in high school when i was in 7th grade always wore a smiths t-shirt. I asked him who they were and he made me a tape. Changed my life.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 11:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Elemenrary School: The "Doctor Demento" Show
Junior High: The more obscure stuff from MTV -- back when it was cool -- the "Post-Modern MTV" show, "Classic MTV" and "International MTV" (Japanese Reggae and Israeli Funk rocked my universe!)
High School freshmen and sophmore: DRI, Circle Jerks, Minutemen, Black Flag, DKs...
High School junior and senior: Irish folk music, Jazz and Funk (plus "120 Minutes on MTV")
After Graduation: Goth-pop (Cure and Siouxsie) and pre-grunge Soul Asylum/Pixies/Husker Du (plus more Irish Folk Music, Metal, Gangsta Rap and more)

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

I would interpret this thread not so much in the "what do you define as 'alternative'" but as "when did you start caring about what you listened to enough to seek it out without mainstream media help"

the progression for me went as such:
7th-9th grade - classic rock
10th grade - pearl jam, smashing pumkins, nirvana...
11th grade - sonic youth, nirvana, pavement, yo la tengo
12th grade - sonic youth, pavement, yo la tengo, the pixies

college it all exploded into me basically listening to anything in my search for great stuff. its not like when someone says "oh I listen to everything" and really mean "I don't give a shit about music" I mean it as "I'll listen to anything once, and if it seems like it could be special, I'll listen to it again."

tinobeat (tinobeat), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

"when did you start caring about what you listened to enough to seek it out without mainstream media help"
First Flowering of Non-mainstream sources: College radio station broadcasting from Oakland (I think); Two stoner dudes would playfully bicker in between records, and occasionally, they would play an entire CD and then come back on the air saying "Sorry for playing the whole record, I went out to get some lunch."
Second Flowering of non-mainstream sources: MTV when it was still cool, yadda yadda yadda.
Third Flowering of non-mainstream sources: NAPSTER! YEAAAAAAAAA!!!

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Music first (you know the groops), history second, with the dogma reinforcing the enjoyment of the music - that is, it's DIFFERENT but GOOD and you UNDERSTAND and they DON'T, those silly little monkeys, and ye will be JUDGED and found wanting by the throng of brainwashed BASTARDS sucking on the corporate COCK, but understand that they are WRONG and you are RIGHT.

Were I more socially agile back then, my enjoyment of the music wouldn't have progressed past a superficial "because it sounds cool" brainwashed cock-sucking level. But, hey, when you feel ostracized (regardless of whether it's true or not) - better yet, when you WANT to feel ostracized (since that's easier to cope with than the grey areas of truth defining your feelings of inadequacy and awkwardness) - and you want to reinforce your self-worth, why not construct walls of counter-culture coolness covered in glyphs decipherable only by One Of Us, thereby reinforcing the ostracization that might / might not have lead you to this state of exile in the first place, along with reinforcing the bullshit strata that ultimately leads to the Us Vs Them mentality permeating most of pop culture?

(And I qualified strata w/ "bullshit" because that's what I want it to be, not because it actually is.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 17:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Coop!

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

marky mark => &^%^ => VU => &^%^ => marky mark

Amedee Archambault (Amedee), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Suggestions from friends, I think. Can't be sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

ten years pass...

Nirvana

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link

Wanting to be the kind of person who had opinions on the Pixies.

Treeship, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link

bands

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:31 (ten years ago) link

albums

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:31 (ten years ago) link

those too

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link

Melody Maker

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:34 (ten years ago) link

My new friends in secondary school liked Green Day

Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:37 (ten years ago) link

are you still friends?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:37 (ten years ago) link

with most of them, yes

Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:44 (ten years ago) link

Do you still call them "basic bitches"?

Treeship, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:47 (ten years ago) link

on occasion

Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Thursday, 10 October 2013 00:17 (ten years ago) link


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