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Listened to 'Cannibal Song' quite loud on headphones last night (well 2am today really) to check what the fuss was about - yeah it's a pretty mundane thing, but it does have one feature I'd never noticed before and which is brilliant: it has samples in it of that 'caw-caw' noise that crows make, one of my favourite noises, er, 'EVAH!' - as they say round here....

I really like about half of each of the _Land_ and _Mind_ albums - but in spite of liking NWO I never bought _Psalm_ : is it much the same as those 2, or were they getting more Metally and less Machiney ?

Ray M, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I liked them crow noises as well. More metally, yeah, but with enough mechanical kick in most of the songs to satisfy, so I say give it a whirl.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I agree about people are saying about Revco, Ministry & Pailhead. I would add that there is some good music on the Lard album "Last Temptation of Reid". I think the song "Forkboy" by Lard is the best thing that Jello Biafra did outside the Dead Kennedys.

The problem with Ministry is that they started making too much money, which probably led to too much drugs.

earlnash, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

were they getting more Metally and less Machiney
They were getting more rock than metal at that point. Psalm 69 really went for a more groovy, rock'n roll feel. It works for the most part, but I can see why it's not everybody's favourite - largely because of that approach, it lacks depth.

Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Couldn't help noticing they have a new one out, ANIMOSITITISOMINA (animosity forward and backward without the y's......rathe inexplicably). I really can't imagine it's going to be wildy different from their last three records. Shouldn't they just fuckin' hang it up? Or have I simply just 'grown out' of them?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 February 2003 12:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think the answer to both questions is "Yes", Alex. At least that's how I've felt for some time now.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 15 February 2003 22:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the new one sounds like psalm 69 era ministry its pretty damn good

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 15 February 2003 22:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
What was "the new one" in Feb 2003?

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Um.

Dan (LOOK UP TWO POSTS FFS) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Never mind, Adam, Dan. He was only gang-raped by flemish leathermen last night. He'll be back to sorts any hour now.

dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oh you mean ANIMOSITITISOMINA?

I thought that was a joke.

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Apparently it was a good album!

Dan (Still Not Interested In Them Anymore) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Is it industrial day in Adam's skull? Are the robots in his head going "MESMERIZED BY THE FORCES OF HATE"?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

chugga chugga chugga ANIMOSITISOMINA

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Al is one of these three. You figure out which one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/music/2003/05/images/download_150.jpg

dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Clearly Al is the chick on the right.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ihttp://www.photodump.com/direct/maxmal/SonicRanch.jpg

Ministry `06 (with Tommy from Prong and Raven from KJ)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/maxmal/sonicranch2.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

their last album (Houses of the Molé) is acually pretty good!

latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 21:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Co-headlining" Ministry/RevCo tour in '06! I am, as they say, so there.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

prng dood is also in danzig. that guys making bank.

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

prng dood is also in danzig. that guys making bank.

Tommy Victor did play in Danzig as well, yeah, but I think that was more out of financial necessity.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what is this, the start of the big industrial dance revival? I was in a record shop last week flipping through compilations of uh, currently hip - or so they claim - records in certain cities, NYC, London, and the Paris one had stuff like Front 242 on it.

dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That's the Black Strobe Time Out Paris mix!

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And the London one sucks balls!

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the London one is TERRIBLE

and I don't get it- I saw Lazarus live over the summer and his set was 100% bouncey electro-house....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Co-headlining" Ministry/RevCo tour in '06! I am, as they say, so there.

"The REVOLTING COCK."

"Heh heh, yeah, must be some strip show.. y' know.. with strippers."

dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I guess this is where I say that "Cracking Up" is a grossly underrated later-era Revco song that directly lifts the opening guitar riff from ACR's "Shack Up", loops it, and puts it behind a proto-DFA bass/disco beat combo.. and adds drug samples and Chris Connelly clucking all over it.

dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up is quite loud.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And says "Fuck" often. We used it to drive out customers at closing time at a Mexican restaurant I worked at once...

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I'm tempted to do a C/D for 'Filth Pig'. I hated it on release and never bothered checking out any of their stuff after that, but once in a while songs pop up on shuffle and they're usually pretty awesome (e.g. last night "Brick Windows")

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 13:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

twitch's rare mentions in this thread is a crime.

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 14:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

WHERE YOU AT NOW

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

land of rape and honey 4-EVAH

crappy, use her name (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

USE IT A WHILE AND IT'S OVER THE SHOULDER

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 04:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

You know, I actually really liked Rio Grande Blood -- not The Last Sucker quite so much though it was still certainly better than a lot of their mid-period (ie Filth Pig and onward).

Just bought Twitch again and I like it okay. Parts of it didn't age well at all.

Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Again, I wish they'd pulled the plug after Psalm 69.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 29 August 2009 20:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

It bears repearing: "Jesus Built My Hotrod" is utterly unstoppable. Play it loud!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 29 August 2009 21:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

For whatever reason I cannot stop listening to "Hizbollah" today

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

love the snippet of dubbed out accordian sampled in "where you at now"

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Hmmm.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I wrote about that here. My memories of that 1990 RevCo show are pretty vivid, so I hope the movie focuses on that period and the year or two immediately prior; by the time they played Lollapalooza they'd already pretty much lost it, IMO.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lolla 92 was the last time they made any real sense, if only for "N.W.O." and the Bush I samples.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.

Restless Genital Syndrome (HI DERE), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in

bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.

Yeah, I gotta disagree with pretty much all of this...Psalm 69 was definitely the end of the golden era (though I'll offer another minority opinion, namely that Animositisomina had some very good songs), but there are a couple of solid tracks on it, "Hero" and "Scarecrow" in particular. However, the three singles from Psalm 69 - "NWO," "Jesus Built My Hotrod" and "Just One Fix" - are much, much better in their longer 12"/CD single versions.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've actually managed to listen to Cannibal Song many, many times. AMIATTTT is peak Ministry imo.

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in

― bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:44 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

1st post of 2010.
say it all really.

mark e, Friday, 1 January 2010 02:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

i just started getting into this band. i think i am in love with this evil.

also, 'Cannibal Song' is fucking awesome. all yall haters are crazy.

Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Monday, 27 September 2010 23:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love classic Ministry but think Psalm 69 is extremely overrated. it's good but don't spin it anywhere near as much as Land of Rape and Mind...."Just One Fix" is ace though

u r no man, take the balls (San Te), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_discography#Studio_albums

these sales figures are hilarious

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 21:56 (six years ago) Permalink

It has to be bad. A Republican is currently not president.

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 08:13 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUhrBBsNTTA

Uhh. Al Jourgensen is slowly turning into Lisa Bonet's grandmother.

benernienie taumaupin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I would like to hear the half-assed Killing Joke melodic bit in the chorus rescued from this song and put in a better one.

benernienie taumaupin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:08 (five years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

From the cheap laughs department:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/163310_10151744919665167_1837077591_n.jpg

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Top-rated YouTube commenter on 99 Percenters bringing harsh truths:

Wow.... Just.... Wow. Been a fan through all incarnations since '86. Seen them live a ton of times.. Probably my favorite band of all time. After watching this, ... I'm getting off the crazy train. I thought there were some good tracks on the album, but this just comes off as sheer fucking laziness. It was a great run Al, but please stay true to your word and put this band to bed. Fuck, I never thought I'd join the haters... But this does suck.

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Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I have a copy of that doc that came out, "Fix" or "Fixed" or w/e...part of me is curious but the rest of me kinda knows this is a thing I probably don't need to watch

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

A lot of mid-80s industrial is pretty hard to listen to - not because it's too harsh or gritty in the intended way, but because it uses lame mid-80s drum machines and transposed, key-triggered samples.

It sounds like a lot of these bands thought they sounded edgy and counter-cultural, but in retrospect it all sounds like Anne Dudley playing hookey with Ferris Bueller.

3×5, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 19:37 (five years ago) Permalink

what drum machines should they have been using instead? drum machines from the future?

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 19:42 (five years ago) Permalink

uhhhh Land Of Rape And Honey still pummels me in the face with "lame mid-80's drum machines" also 2) that's not the problem and b) RONG

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:57 (five years ago) Permalink

i LOVE lame mid 80s drum machines.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:10 (five years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Aww man. RIP. I was actually a fan of Rigor Mortis well before he joined Ministry, dude was pretty speedy.

flared bass (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 December 2012 23:32 (four years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

After not having paid any attention to a Ministry album since Psalm 69 turned me off for good I was mildly curious to hear the new (supposedly last ever) album after reading Al saying that parts of it were inspired by Adrian Sherwood and would put King Tubby to shame on the dub front. Needless to say King Tubby can rest in his grave without having to worry that his techniques have been usurped by Al and Sherwood must be chuckling into his mixing desk at how bad it is. The "dub" bits make No Doubt seem like Prince Far I at his heaviest in comparison. Cod dub!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

haha at you falling for it and checking it out!

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:17 (four years ago) Permalink

There is never any compelling reason to listen to anything Ministry released after 1989.

Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:25 (four years ago) Permalink

yup, what a sucker! at least i maintain my *cough*youthful*cough* optimism / naiveté. xp

stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:31 (four years ago) Permalink

put King Tubby to shame on the dub front

this is just a shameful thing for anyone to claim

Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, King Tubby is dead, so maybe it's just a matter of parsing tense.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:31 (four years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Had no idea this was completed or released but man, some harrowing (heroin) stuff:

http://vimeo.com/91347991

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 October 2014 03:07 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

No matter how tempted you are, do not try and read Al's book.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the warning. I'm always on the lookout for a good trashy drug band bio. What's bad about it?

american tail/american pie (how's life), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 17:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's bad. I can't even remember enough about it to pick it apart, but it was just...dull.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 18:16 (two years ago) Permalink

It's dull because it's full of bullshit stories (some of which are patently not true) only told to make Al the greatest bestest drug taker ever. An awful lot of them have something "nearly" happen and there's a preponderance of casual racism, homophobia and rape culture that is sometimes glorified but at a minimum glossed over and excused with another anecdote where he has a token gay or black friend (invariably who he never mentions again).

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 20:41 (two years ago) Permalink

i kind of almost enjoyed it even though i was fully aware it was BS. his treatise on economics at the end was complete and utter nonsense though; he patently thinks he's a lot smarter than he actually is or maybe he has genuinely fried his brain. i read chris connelly's book immediately after which is way better.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:10 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I read Chris Connelly's first but it seemed so skewed to making out Al was a complete dick that I thought I'd read this for balance. Instead it reinforces some of the conclusions you make from the other book.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:29 (two years ago) Permalink

everyone otm

don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:40 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

So this week, Ministry (via Cleopatra Records) posted a previously unreleased live album on Bandcamp. It's called Live Necronomicon, and it's about 85 minutes long - there's a double vinyl edition that may already be sold out, and then a digital version. No CDs. Anyway, according to this piece on Slicing Up Eyeballs, it's basically the raw tapes from In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up, with a few Jello Biafra spoken-word bits and a version of Revolting Cocks' "Stainless Steel Providers" excised. Note that In Case... had a lot of studio overdubs, which are absent here, making the music much more overtly metallic and placing the vocals a lot higher in the mix. The set list includes their covers of Public Image Ltd.'s "Public Image" and Skinny Puppy's "Smothered Hope," and versions of Pailhead's "No Bunny" and "Man Should Surrender" and Lard's "The Power of Lard" and "Hellfudge." It's really good, and worth your nine bucks.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 July 2017 01:55 (five months ago) Permalink

Chris Connelly lives by me. I see him all the time with his family, in full suburban dad mode.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 02:03 (five months ago) Permalink

Search: With Sympathy

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:03 (five months ago) Permalink


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