MELLON POLLIE AND THE INFINITE SADNESS

Zero's OK.

here is no why.

Whoa, I agree with Geir too.

This is impossible, so I'll go with their NIN impression, "Love".

I'm leaning towards "Bodies" but I should pull it out to check. I like "Love" a lot too. And "Thirty-Three".

1979 ftw

ha GIS for "porcelina" sort of hilarious:
http://images.elfwood.com/art/r/o/robinbean/merland.jpg

Just barely like it more than "1979", because shit is EPIC man.

The only SP song I like is 1979.

I never quite got these guys, but Muzzle is a great song.

'here is no why'. i'll be surprised if 1979 doesn't win

Yeah, "Muzzle" is pretty great too. I could have voted that easily.

I'm gonna tip my hat to disc 2 & "We Only Come Out at Night"

I used to claim I didn't like Smashing Pumpkins. Then I realized I own four of their albums and don't want to flush them. So while I despise the "guilty pleasure" concept, SP would rank high on my list.

I just listened to this album for the first time in 5 years and hereby DENOUNCE and REJECT my previous vote for "Porcelina" in favor of "Jellybelly" which is my absolute favorite Punkins song and how the fuck did I forget about it!???

voted for Muzzle, but so many contenders. great album(s).

Through the Eyes of Ruby for me.

I'd love to hear the vinyl version of this with the different tracklisting.

Lots of great songs on this album. I saw them on this tour as well, they were great.

definitely MUZZLE

Cupid de Locke vs Love tossup

"Muzzle" was disappointing live but when I saw them it was the guy who isn't Jimmy Chamberlain. Otherwise also a fav.

This is actually one of the best examples of patchy double albums that could have made great single albums.

people try and make that case about all double albums

I think you'd be lucky to get a decent EP out of this, to be honest.

agreed. Maybe a single in 'thirty three'

No, really. There are around 10 "pop" songs here that are actually quite nice. They would only have to get rid of the noisiest and most aggressive tracks and they'd have a marvellous single album. Shame about that singing voice though - this is one of few cases where I agree it was a good idea to keep the vocals behind in the mix.

Impossible to choose between "Muzzle," "Porcelina," "Thru The Eyes Of Ruby," "Galapagos," and "Where Boys Fear To Tread," but I think I'll give it to the latter since it hasn't been getting upped yet on this thread...

As for the "make it one disc" thing, I raised that question on this thread and got some responses, for anybody into that kind of thing...

who gonna be the kook that votes 4 tales of a scorched earth

Fuck's sake - the whole point of Mellon Collie is that it's an overblown indulgence-fest; one of the last ones in mainstream rock - and that's why it's a great album. All this trimming-down talk, fffff!

haha, Alex in NYC makes the same exact diss in both this thread and mine.

it's definitely 1979 for me

very tough choice between "Tonight Tonight" and "In the Arms of Sleep"

TRULY TRAGIC THIS

I don't think I ever listened to anything but the singles, and of those "1979" is the only one that still rates.

Kinda feels like this is the 'last album of the '90s.'

I actually think an Adore poll might be more interesting. Although maybe "Perfect" is the obvious winner there.

this album is the sound of me at 14

vinyl tracklist:

Side one: Dawn

1. "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" – 2:52
2. "Tonight, Tonight" – 4:14
3. "Thirty-Three" – 4:10
4. "In the Arms of Sleep" – 4:12
5. "Take Me Down" (Iha) – 2:52

Side two: Tea Time
1. "Jellybelly" – 3:01
2. "Bodies" – 4:12
3. "To Forgive" – 4:17
4. "Here Is No Why" – 3:45
5. "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" – 9:21

Side three: Dusk

1. "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" – 4:18
2. "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" – 7:38
3. "Muzzle" – 3:44
4. "Galapogos" – 4:47
5. "Tales of a Scorched Earth" – 3:46

Side four: Twilight

1. "1979" – 4:25
2. "Beautiful" – 4:18
3. "Cupid de Locke" – 2:50
4. "By Starlight" – 4:48
5. "We Only Come Out at Night" – 4:05

Side five: Midnight

1. "Where Boys Fear to Tread" – 4:22
2. "Zero" – 2:41
3. "Fuck You (An Ode to No One)" – 4:51
4. "Love" – 4:21
5. "X.Y.U." – 7:07

Side six: Starlight

1. "Stumbleine" – 2:54
2. "Lily (My One and Only)" – 3:31
3. "Tonite Reprise" – 2:40
4. "Farewell and Goodnight" (Corgan/Iha) – 4:22
5. "Infinite Sadness" – 4:02

^^^^ would much rather listen to it this way. This makes it seem more like a 6-EP box set s.t. you can put on a different side for different moods. Which I think brings the whole album to a perfect level of pretense and pomposity.

xxpost "Appels + Oranjes" is far and away the best thing on that album. And there are a lot of great songs on that album.

That vinyl tracklist is WILD! Wow. What's "Tonite Reprise"?

I always felt like this thing needed to end on something a little more dramatic - probably "By Starlight."

And I'm with Curt1s, "Appels + Oranjes" is my favorite Adore track, although at the time "Tear" ranked really high with me, and to this day does a more precise job of bringing back the exact feel and smell of a certain era in time than any other song, not sure why or how that happened but it did. "Perfect" is, I'm sad to say, kind of boring! Am I right that it was a single? Not that this was an album really overflowing with obvious hits, but it seems like a weird, wimpy kind of choice.

Granted, by that point Billy had taken a 90-degree turn away from the blatant arena majesty of SD/MCIS, in favor of a kind of extended love letter to particular electro goth genre work, lush and watery on one end and aching/sparse on the other. I like a lot of songs off Adore and Machina I, but they're really different animals than Melon Collie.

My fave on Adore has to be "For Martha," what a stunner. That and "Blank Page" actually outdo the closing ballads on Mellon Collie.

I'm half into DAWN of vinyl tracklist, it is better this way.

I mean TEA TIME.

"Tonite Reprise" is an acoustic guitar version of "Tonight, Tonight"

I remember seeing this post-Siamese Dream MTV news bit about how Smashing Pumpkins were readying their new album, and it included a 4 second clip of Corgan recording the vocals of "Muzzle" in their studio, and I played that 4 seconds over and over in my head for months until the album actually came out. And the finished "Muzzle" totally lived up to it - I love how the drums roll in on that song...

I think my answer would be "Thirty-Three", but i'll have to listen to this album again to work it out.

I never liked "Perfect". I liked Adore at the time, but in retrospect it has a lot more cloying, embarassing moments than Mellon Collie.

Back to Mellon Collie - "Beautiful" is the perfect soundtrack to teenagers in love in 1995.

Adore more cloying than Mellon Collie? Hmmmm...

no wai

this album is the sound of me at 14

-- latebloomer, Friday, March 7, 2008 3:59 AM (15 hours ago)

YES. well, 13 for me, but it's hard to explain how deeply invested i was in this album. not much of it holds up anymore for me, apart from a few tracks, but there isn't any other album that's more of a nostalgia trip for me back to '95-96 than this one.

Neato

ZERO, people

where boys fear to tread, lately. monster riff

i haven't done this for many, many years, but tonight i think i will crank up the old stereo and play the entire album

I still can't believe that 'Beautiful' didn't get any votes, it's always been one of my highlights of the album... I particularly love the way it changes from this seemingly loop-based thing to the full band playing in the middle section, with that gorgeous sitar-like guitar sound.

yeah I love that whole last side

These days, I would definitely vote for Ruby. Blue disc is a monster!

nearly a decade of listening to this album nearly constantly I never thought much of "To Forgive" but it fucking kills me now. happened all of a sudden last fall, I remember the day. it opened up, or swallowed me in.

and funny how Billy's singing on "In the Arms of Sleep" is so hard to take seriously sometimes but then sometimes you're riding on every syllable and sibilance.

1:00:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYyGECNfz0

(newly uploaded show btw, never circulated afaik)

is the "Mellon Collie and The Infinite Ga Ga Goo Goo" boot any good? I saw them on the tour after this (I think Veruca Salt opened? I was like 11) and I would lvoe to hear what they sounded like, that seems like the msot popular one

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Mellon Collie and the Infinite Ga Ga Goo Goo

Tracks

Tonight, Tonight
In the Arms of Sleep
Cupid de Locke
Thirty-three
Today
Soma
Take Me Down
Beautiful
Rhinoceros
Rocket
Disarm / Spaceboy
Dancing in the Moonlight [Thin Lizzy]
Tonight, Tonight
Cupid de Locke
Thirty-three
1979

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Label: Foamhead
ID: FH004
Track info: Tracks 1-10: 1996-02-07 - Kezar Pavilion; San Francisco, CA, US - audience, acoustic
Tracks 11-12: 1993-06-30 - VPRO Radio; Hilversum, NL - studio, acoustic
Tracks 13-16: 1996-05-15 - Brixton Academy; London, UK - soundboard, acoustic
Length: 01:14:31

Notes

Track 6 is mislabeled as 'One Last Kiss Goodnight'.
Track 10 is mislabeled as 'Skin Head Fag'.
Track 11 is mislabeled as 'Disarm'.
The liner contains an obviously modified photo of Billy with a swastika on his forehead, and a juvenile insult "Produced by the Bald-Headed Butt-Lover".

o_O

I am once again having fun toying with the sequencing of MCIS and its b-sides / outtakes. the songs I like to incorporate are the ones that don't feel like they have exact, existing analogues on the existing tracklist - "The Boy" and/or "Pennies" (way more relaxed and economical than usual), "Medelia" (always loved the slightly lo-fi production and piano sound), "...Said Sadly" (country duet vibes), "Transformer" (silly angst-free riffy rocker), "Set the Ray to Jerry" (basically its own genre), "Aeroplane Flies High" (OK, this one is a little redundant but it's also like one of their 10 or 20 best songs). I also like "Infinite Sadness" a lot though I guess it's technically SD-era.

"God" and "Ugly" and a few others are also good but they do feel like lesser counterparts to songs that are already in the mix

The bridge of “Beautiful” is a tight piece of business.

xp “Infinite Sadness” is the last track on the 3xLP version of MCIS!

what if Kurt Cobain sang "1979"

I never fully appreciated “1979” (beyond “good song”)—due to its ubiquity, my lack of interest in the Pumpkins by that point, etc.—but it’s really a home run on every level. I was “unexpectedly ambushed by emotion” this afternoon, when it came on as I listened to the album driving home on the freeway.

(It’s funny how it’s randomly plopped on the album as track #57, or whatever.)

every single line of that song (except “Beneath the sound of hope”) is annotated in Genius dot com

it’s official: billy corgan is a rap genius

xp “Infinite Sadness” is the last track on the 3xLP version of MCIS!

I forgot! It's funny that it literally has "Siamese Outtake" tacked onto its Spotify title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ISK1g54Fc

this really does sample an awful lot of "1979"

i think it even samples the cover to the CD single

so.... they're getting wasted and hanging around? man anybody who gave Puffy shit over his sampling should listen to this and then come back and think again imo

lol imagine hearing this shit in like 1998 or something

That song really brought out the angry boomer in me, not so much because of the obvious Pumpkins sample as because of the 'Californication' line.

if this were a one direction song i'd be so down

it is nowhere near as good as a one direction song though

one direction sampling smashing pumkins would be the best dream ever.

I just fixed the CD player in my car - well got the penny out that my kid stuck in there - and busted this out after a long time and damn this is so well recorded. The drums absolutely thump

Trudat.