― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link
does anyone know where i might find the wcse demos?! i remember them being seeded on dime a whil back, but not now, and a day of slsk searching hasn't found them...
― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlysound
has anyone heard these extra girlysound tapes? they don't seem to be around online any more :-(
― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― corey c (shock of daylight), Friday, 18 August 2006 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― dan. (dan.), Saturday, 19 August 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link
how someone can have no love for Whip Smart is completely beyond me. it's almost epic, but way too concise. the mood is something else. the melodic narrative, pinned up against the overwhelming pop sensibility of some songs, is incredibly stirring.
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link
i won't decorate my love
― Surmounter, Sunday, 22 March 2009 01:58 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^ opened up this thread to revive it after listening to that very song and going "god, this album is always so much better than i remember it."
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 1 February 2010 02:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I should give WCSE another spin. I have had zero desire to listen to it for the past ten years or so, even tho I really liked it at the time of its release. Were there any songs w/ trip hop beats? Everyone was shoehorning in trip hop beats back then.
WS is patchy, but the highs make it the easy pick for me. I think "Nashville" might be my favorite overall Liz tune.
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Monday, 1 February 2010 06:20 (fourteen years ago) link
lol I didn't realize you guys were referring to ^ that very song until I dusted it off & listened to it (it's been a while). It holds up fantastically. That bridge/build into the chorus - so gorgeous!
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Monday, 1 February 2010 06:31 (fourteen years ago) link
― Surmounter, Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:58 PM (10 months ago)
― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 1 February 2010 06:42 (fourteen years ago) link
from the nashville youtube comments:
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― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 1 February 2010 06:52 (fourteen years ago) link
That bridge/build into the chorus - really, tho, the "chorus" is one steady, layered build & then, yeah, that refrain.
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Monday, 1 February 2010 07:08 (fourteen years ago) link
& you know what, WS isn't nearly as inconsistent as I'd convinced myself it was. where did the sophomore slump myth come from, again?
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Monday, 1 February 2010 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah that record is great.
here's a buncha really cool unreleased tunes plus my fave WCSE demos
1. Desperado Theme2. Oh My God3. If I Ever Pay You Back4. Tell Me You Like Me5. Firewalker6. Hurricane Cindy7. Don't Apologize8. Beginning To See The Light9. I'm Like That10. I'll Get You High11. Conversation Overheard Between Two Bouncers12. Wasted13. You Have No Idea14. Russian Girl15. I'm A Believer16. Waiting For The Bird17. Freak Of Nature
1, 4, 9, 14, 16, 17 - from White Chocolate Space Egg solo demos boot CDR2 - Squirt TV, 1.963, 8 - Minneapolis 4.22.955, 7 - Wellesley 4.30.996 - unknown demo10, 13 - NYC 4.25.9511 - live, source unknown12 - KCRW, 12.8.9415 - live, source unknown
http://www.mediafire.com/?ymgmizzyjy2
― sleeve, Monday, 1 February 2010 08:30 (fourteen years ago) link
lol squirt tv.i always liked whipsmart as much as exile
― mizzell, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Whip-Smart lovers should also search out an outtake called "Don't Have Time", it appeared on some dumb 90's comp or soundtrack but should have been on the record.
― sleeve, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
sleeve, once again you are the hero of this thread. DLing now, will check out at home tonight. Thanks a bunch.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Man, how is "Jealousy" not on the short list of absolute must-know Liz Phair songs alongside "Fuck and Run" and "Divorce Song" and so on? It's SO SO SO SO GOOD.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 28 January 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
god whip-smart is so slept on. there's a few duds but the best songs compete just fine with exile, if they'd appeared on that one everyone would know them and love them. may queen, cinco de mayo, whip-smart, jealousy... fuck yeah.
where have i been? got any what?
― Doctor Casϵϵno (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:15 (five years ago) link
nashville, x-ray man, go west!
― Doctor Casϵϵno (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link
“Jealousy” may honestly be her #1 song
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:31 (five years ago) link
^^CoSign
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:34 (five years ago) link
it's definitely like top three for me, hard for anything to displace "divorce song" at #1 but man it's terrific
― Doctor Casϵϵno (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:41 (five years ago) link
I saw hips, I saw thighsI saw secret positions that we never try
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link
I can't believe you had a life before meI can't believe they let you run around freeJust putting your body wherever it seemed like a good ideaWhat a good idea
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 August 2018 03:20 (five years ago) link
totally agree on Whip-Smart, such a jam start to finish
WCSE is a straight dud imo
― a roomba of one's own (rip van wanko), Thursday, 23 August 2018 03:36 (five years ago) link
you guys have mentioned 7 WS tracks in this revive and not one of them was Shane!!
― a roomba of one's own (rip van wanko), Thursday, 23 August 2018 03:38 (five years ago) link
You guys know that song “Stuck on an Island”? It’s like an entire John Hughes movie* in a perfectly economical song... One of her best.(*intentional Chicagoland reference)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 23 August 2018 03:54 (five years ago) link
Exile's peaks are higher, but I enjoy WS more as a start-to-finish (except for Supernova I guess)
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 23 August 2018 04:05 (five years ago) link
This happened a couple weeks back: https://www.stereogum.com/2009532/liz-phair-whitechocolatespaceegg-turns-20/franchises/the-anniversary/
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 August 2018 05:46 (five years ago) link
Shane > Nashville is what I always return to on whip smart. Love how those two run together. Had it on vinyl back in the day and the warble on my shit record player just made those two in particular just perfect
― calstars, Thursday, 23 August 2018 11:15 (five years ago) link
xp Article on point re: Whitechocolatespaceegg’s quality. I loved it at the time, and still do.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 23 August 2018 13:12 (five years ago) link
"Crater Lake" is my jam.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 August 2018 13:13 (five years ago) link
And of course I was one of those dudes in summer '98 who took Whitechocolatespaceegg as a betrayal; I wrote a college newspaper review that thankfully is gone from the minds of man.
By late September, though, I thought it a fucking jam.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 August 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link
she was so great on that tour, all traces of on-stage jitters had vanished
― sleeve, Thursday, 23 August 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link
After a while, it wasn't hard picking my Phave Phair.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2018 02:03 (five years ago) link
see her live if she comes through your town, she puts on a really good show!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 5 October 2018 02:40 (five years ago) link
I feel like every girl should be given Exile in Guyville in 8th grade health class.
― Yerac, Friday, 5 October 2018 02:49 (five years ago) link
after I saw her play last week I wanted to get the Girly-Sound to Guyville reissue but it's already out of print!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 5 October 2018 02:51 (five years ago) link
Really?!
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2018 03:00 (five years ago) link
Yep, Matador web store and Amazon are out of stock, only one copy for sale on Discogs... the CD version, I mean. You can still get the vinyl edition but it's like $100. I think that's the new normal for CD reissues though. People don't buy CDs anymore, I guess.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 5 October 2018 03:06 (five years ago) link
Did anyone love girly sounds? Maybe if I had heard it before Exile, I would get it. But otherwise it's a chore to listen to.
― Yerac, Friday, 5 October 2018 03:11 (five years ago) link
also this made me LOL from your excellent blog post:
(copies of Monster and Whip-Smart glutted the market like cheap petrol in the Kennedy era)
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 5 October 2018 03:11 (five years ago) link
I say that loving super lo-fi plink plink.
Ugh, shit, it's so hard sometimes seeing when something is a link. I am reading it now.
― Yerac, Friday, 5 October 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link
xpost by the time file-sharing had matured to the point where I could get my hands on the Girlysound tapes I had moved on! she played California from it the other night, which was quite nice.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 5 October 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link
wait, not California... Go West
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 5 October 2018 03:19 (five years ago) link
Generally, I like your slant/prose (alfred) but I had some issues with this maybe because she is dear to my coming of age years. But unless you publicly welcome it, I don't want to specifically critique because in whole I like the overall spirit.
― Yerac, Friday, 5 October 2018 04:18 (five years ago) link
ugh, i've been drinking. don't mind me.
― Yerac, Friday, 5 October 2018 04:23 (five years ago) link
From the Whitechocolatespaceegg track listing on Wikipedia:
Advance Promo Copy17. "Freak of Nature" – 2:0318. "Hurricane Cindy" – 2:48OuttakesThere exist several circulating outtakes from the album. Most of them have never been commercially released, however, several bootlegs include these songs, which are listed below:"Oh My God""Desperado Theme""Hurricane Cindy""Rocket Boy""Russian Girl""Stuck on an Island""Tell Me You Like Me""I'm Like That""White Bird of Texas""Freak of Nature""Bars of the Bed""Blood Keeper""Greased Lightning"
OuttakesThere exist several circulating outtakes from the album. Most of them have never been commercially released, however, several bootlegs include these songs, which are listed below:
"Oh My God""Desperado Theme""Hurricane Cindy""Rocket Boy""Russian Girl""Stuck on an Island""Tell Me You Like Me""I'm Like That""White Bird of Texas""Freak of Nature""Bars of the Bed""Blood Keeper""Greased Lightning"
I wasn't aware of all these outtakes... "Stuck on an Island" is one of my favorite songs of hers. Has anyone heard any of these others?
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
Don't miss OL's poll: A human super-POLL-va, a POLL-ar Superman: Liz Phair - Whip-Smart
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
xp to morris I think the link I posted upthread still works
― sleeve, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
Oh cool, thanks sleeve
― very legal & very cool (morrisp), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
yr welcome
also I am extremely annoyed that I have never heard/heard of "Bars of the Bed" or "Blood Keeper"
― sleeve, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Hey sleeve -- your link says the following. Any way to restore access??
Something appears to be missing…The key you provided for file access was invalid. This is usually caused because the file is no longer stored on MediaFire. This occurs when the file is removed by the originating user or MediaFire. Still have questions, or think we've made a mistake? Please contact support for further assistance.
― very legal & very cool (morrisp), Friday, 30 November 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
hmm send me an ILX-mail (include your email, it doesn't send that) and I'll get you sorted, I'll look into the link later but they might have made me take it down
― sleeve, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
Will do, much appreciated!
― very legal & very cool (morrisp), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
Listening to the Girlysound demos; I forget that early versions of "Polyester Bride" and "(Shitloads of) Money" are on there.
I wonder if the Henry in "Bride" is the same Henry from "Stuck on an Island" ("...doing coke with Henry")... must be, right?
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Friday, 30 November 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
Hey sleeve, check this out -- both tracks seem to be on this upload which YT helpfully tossed up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEq0rFFHvd8
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Friday, 30 November 2018 23:59 (five years ago) link
Sick lead gtr on "Russian Girl," starting around 45:30 in the above clip... wonder who played it(?)
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:24 (five years ago) link
Sounds a little like Jack White
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:48 (five years ago) link
Oh, rocket boi- where are you gonna land?
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:17 (one year ago) link
Whip-Smart was my first Liz record, and for that it’ll always rank a little higher than the other studio albums.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link
"Support System," "Go West," and "Jealousy" are three of her all-time best songs... it's frustrating how much of a mixed bag the rest of Whip-Smart is.
― Phair · Jagger/Richards · Carl Perkins (morrisp), Thursday, 9 November 2023 04:01 (four months ago) link
I would NOT include "Support System" in that list, I would include "Alice Springs", "Shane" and the title track
but yeah, it's a bit uneven overall
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 9 November 2023 16:17 (four months ago) link
At this point, it's the album of hers that i listen to the most, and it's grown on me tons over the years. Jealousy, Nashville, May Queen, Whip-Smart and Go West are all top-tier Phair for me! I'm always down for X-Ray Man and sometimes for Supernova also. I guess I sort of buy "uneven" but for me it's the sort of loopier slow burn-things that sometimes grab me and sometimes I'm ready to skip.
― not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 9 November 2023 16:30 (four months ago) link
Whip-Smart was the first album of hers I heard (though I was aware of Guyville having happened), and I really really lived with it for a while before getting Guyville. So it was weird (to me) how let down folks seemed by Whip-Smart though now, of course, I get it.
Whip-Smart is messy as hell but still a special listen.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 November 2023 16:38 (four months ago) link