Classic Or Dud: Laurie Anderson's "O Superman"

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Thank you for reminding us all of Will Powers--the first real virtual popstar. (If you don't count The Archies.)

X. Y. Zedd, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Well I think understanding is not quiet comprehending & vica/versar (hmm....is that spelt right?).....Ms Anderson's "O Superman" in my mashed, alcoholic(currently that is) mind is a mesmerising classic...hhhhmm shame I didn't buy it at the time, might have helped to No1....yeah on average the 80's wasn't a classic year for records in the charts...but it was experimental enough to allow this & others (like, party fears two) ...to be hits ...unlike todays charts which is all about hearsay...etc...say no more

Kev, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three months pass...
what?

Jeff Guidry, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

apparently it harks back to the days when laurie was going out with dean cain. teri hatcher doesn't know about it so keep schtúmm

bob snoom, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The TV Cream cartel hate "O Superman", incidentally, because it dares to interrupt their idea of what the early 80s were like. It still fucks off the right people. For that alone, more uber-classic than ever.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

O Superman = classic, proven by the fact that when some long- forgotten act tried to do a pisstake of it a few months later it totally sucked.

hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu...

Jeff W, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Revive!

Cos I just found the 7" in a pile of old, er, 7"s and slapped it on, nonchalantly, only to have my brain accidentally realligned by its planet-conquering GREATNESS. God, it's like drugs, *proper* drugs, disorienting and euphoric and scary and wide-eyed and legless and...fucking hell.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

yeah.

mitch L=lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

(oops - the name thing was a fuckup, not a hyperobscure nietzche reference or anything)

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

(Fr.Nietszche? Jack Nietzsche? Fite?)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

O...h -- "O Superman"=Classic, 'fcourse

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

classic

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

I like this song, except I always wish there was more of the synth counterpoint stuff that comes in at the end.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

one of the best Saturday Night Live performances evah

Aaron A., Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

msp to thread

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

its totally classic. The lyrics are stupendous

So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
So hold me,Mom, in your long arms.
In your automatic arms. Your electronic arms.
In your arms.
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
Your petrochemical arms. Your military arms.
In your arms.

they was she refers to the military industrial complex while superficilly also talking about physical intimacy and more specifically finding safety in your mothers arms in very moving i think.

But then i always cry at songs featuring robots.

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

Classic.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

One of the least poor songs of the 1980s.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

Am I allowed to wish there was a beat?

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Do the words mean anything? I don't think the words mean anything.

Evan, Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

Closer to dud than classic I'd say, although not quite annoying enough that I'd bother to hate it that much.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

uh oh

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

but geir it's like beatless orbital! (kinda)

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

and we all know Geir can't live without them beats

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe you could say it sounds a bit like what Orbital might have sounded like if they had nothing else to use than a Commodore 64. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

Am I allowed to wish there was a beat?

Line of the day, young Tom...line of the day.

And in answer to your query, yes you are! But trust me, it'd be awful.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 29 August 2003 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

I smell a remix. And an awful one.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

I've never liked anything by Laurie Anderson. Maybe I should listen again - I haven't listened really closely or in a long time - but I'll say dud for now. The lines quoted above are sort of an example of why. She turns me off the same way the Talking Heads turn me off. Like this dorky smartass but fundamentally corny 'quirky' 'wit' that says nothing at all to me but that arts profs always just love to death. And the music just never seemed to compensate.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 August 2003 02:42 (twenty years ago) link

Classic with a capital C. I played this for my girlfriend, who was born a year after this song came out, had never heard it before, and pretty much regards Laurie Anderson as "Lou Reed's girlfriend," and she was mesmerized. It stands up as a piece of music, in my mind, as well as any song recorded in the 80s. And, if forced to make a choice between listening to Momus's entire catalog and listening to this song on repeat for an equivalent length of time, I could make my decision in a microsecond, as I'm sure which one I'd get more out of.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Friday, 29 August 2003 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

i have a theory that this would be a really good song to drop in a dj set.it goes really well mixed into some noise/soundscapes,then having some idm or whatever mixed out of it..ive never really tested it outside of my house,but someday.

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Friday, 29 August 2003 04:22 (twenty years ago) link

I love it a lot, but I disagree re: Momus's entire catalog and think that was a poor thing to say

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 29 August 2003 04:36 (twenty years ago) link

I think it was one of the least poor things said in the 1980s.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Friday, 29 August 2003 04:38 (twenty years ago) link

he was just trying to draw attention to the fact that someone was slagging the track off upthread saying *even* momus thought it was poor, or something. Anyway - im sure any sane person would make the same decision re OSuperman.

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Friday, 29 August 2003 08:53 (twenty years ago) link

Odd how this was recently revived. Picked up the Laurie Anderson Rhino 2CD comp over the weekend and now, at long last, am finally hearing "O Superman" for the first time. Astoundingly beautiful, just flat out astounding. The fact that it went #2 anywhere boggles my mind.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, I am astounded that you've never heard it till now. Song is of course classic.

How is the comp?

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

Lots of things slip through my nets! I first encountered Anderson in a clip from what I guess was Home of the Brave era stuff on some sort of PBS special in 1986 -- it wasn't in fact a special on her, it was either part of a one-off thing or maybe a series on something else, I can't remember what. Some kind of scientific documentary! I was sufficiently bemused/rattled enough by the results to not know what to think of it and never really investigated further, though friend Stripey has long been a fan. So far this comp is pretty good, it samples the seven albums through The Ugly One With the Jewels.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

You can sing it even if you can't sing: Classic.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

The Ugly One with the Jewels is absolutely great! I'm a sucker for tell-me-a-story spoken word albums, though. Ken Nordine's work probably got me started down that path.

The first time I saw Laurie Anderson was when she had six clips on a CD-ROM for Macintosh Quicktime, when she goes off on weird tangents about the national debt and televised school lunch menus. I fell in love right then and there.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 20:48 (twenty years ago) link


big science is an amazing record. let x = classic!

it shocking to me that suck a strange tune would be such a pop hit. it just goes to show you that your average radio listener could like songs that escape the usual formulas.

if only the industry at large would be as bold today. (and it tries and succeeds sometimes, i know, i know. but but but...)

m.

msp, Thursday, 11 September 2003 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

I will never forget the moment I first heard this song. It seems so quirky and funny at first, a typical Anderson parody of American consumerism.

And then this last verse:

"So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
In your automatic arms. Your electronic arms.
In your arms.
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
Your petrochemical arms. Your military arms.
In your electronic arms."

It just chilled me to the bone. Still does.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 11 September 2003 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

I enthusiastically second The Ugly One with the Jewels! Yes, it's technically a "spoken word" album, but it's remarkably atmospheric.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 September 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

No doubt, Alex. "John Lilly" is like a mini-suite, the way it's structured. The wobbly two-chord undulations underneath "Maria Teresa Teresa Maria" do as much to create the mood as Laurie's wonderfully chosen verbal images.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 September 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

when i was 14, a schoolteacher subjected me (and the rest of the class) to all of home of the brave (the film)! i still don't like it, but i like "o superman" as noted above.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 12 September 2003 06:50 (twenty years ago) link

There's a nice little segment on program #14 of the radio series American Mavericks about Laurie, and it discusses the inspiration for "O Superman," Massenet's "O Souverain" which has the line:

O souverain, o juge, o père

("O sovereign, o judge, o father")

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 12 September 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

has anyone fallen as far as she? I regrettably made my girlfriend sit through the Moby Dick disaster of cheesiness she did a few years ago. Egads. Although I heard the performances immediately after 9/11 were more a return to form. The last album I bought was Bright Red and only like the eno production. Otherwise, she is beginning to seem like a casualty of the 80's, which is too bad.

O Superman though, outstanding.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 12 September 2003 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

has anyone fallen as far as she?

Her boyfriend, Lou Reed.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 12 September 2003 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, just listen to that old people sex record he did about them. Yuck.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 12 September 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

i refuse to believe that both of them are not gay

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 12 September 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

whatever, man

'mister heartbreak' is a wonderful album. 'big science' and her tracks on 'you're the guy I want to spend my money with' as well.

jl (Jon L), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

This song got to number 2?!

Could Schneider TM & Kpt.Michigan - "The Light 3000" get to number 2? In the City of Sound perhaps.

I think this is the saddest song.

David. (Cozen), Saturday, 13 September 2003 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

yeah Josh that is absolutely nuts, what was that like??

flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link

It was mostly weird. I don't know how old/young any of you are, but that was just a weird day all around. I had a friend interview her the day of, and she told him (iirc) that she had just gotten off the phone with Lou, who was watching the towers burn from their roof. That night at the Park West - and it wasn't late yet - no one really had any idea what was going on, and of course no one had any real idea what was to come. But we all seemed to recognize the prescience of this song, and wondered whether she would even play it. Which she did, with no commentary. So: creepy. But it's only gotten more so in the months and years later. And of course it was pretty creepy to begin with.

I want to say that week I also saw PJ Harvey, who was touring "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea," which is also infused with all sorts of eerily coincidental 9/11 stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link

thanks for sharing that, Josh

^ and yeah stories definitely had that vibe. also mercury rev's all is dream came out on 9/11. lincoln's eyes really creeped me out at that time.

In a slipshod style (Ross), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link

'Stories from the City' won the Mercury Prize which was announced on 9/11. She was in Washington and phoned in to receive the award in a ceremony which was as bizarre and downbeat as you'd expect.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFGqR4b_YG4

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link

I saw an insane and devastating German Richard III where Richard's descent into madness was soundtracked to O Superman. Here it is below in German with French Subs (I saw it in English). Shamefully, at the most intense moment in the show (you could hear a pin drop) just after the point where O superman starts properly my phone rang! The whole theatre looked in my direction as I fumbled into my pocket. Richard III stopped acting and looked at me and said "did you set your alarm to wake you up after two hours so you could see the end of the show?". As soon as I managed to switch my phone off he continued the show without missing a beat.

The Breaths from the track start around the jumping off point here and the song proper starts just around 2:04:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsOtCIpi-M0&t=113m10s

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link

imago, i suspect you will love that^^^

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link

I'll try again: The breaths start at 1:53:00 The main part of the track starts at around 2:05:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsOtCIpi-M0

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link

i killed the thread with radical german theatre!

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link

I only heard this song for the first time recently. I've had Mister Heartbreak for years and love it so I have no idea why I never looked further. The refrain popped into my head this morning and it just hit me like a sledgehammer. Such an immense, haunting, beautiful piece. The video had me spellbound. Had no idea about the 9/11 connection until I read this thread.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link

One of those songs I wouldn't normally choose to listen to because so well known (and long) but it came on my spotify discover playlist a few weeks ago and yeah, I had a something in my eye moment.

Monogo doesn't socialise (ledge), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:26 (six years ago) link

Lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJBZifZ4TIc

flappy bird, Saturday, 25 November 2017 07:03 (six years ago) link

Ah, Zoo-era totp. See also TVC-15.

koogs, Saturday, 25 November 2017 10:00 (six years ago) link

The whole theatre looked in my direction as I fumbled into my pocket. Richard III stopped acting and looked at me and said "did you set your alarm to wake you up after two hours so you could see the end of the show?".

new ilm posts which will continue to haunt your thoughts.

Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 25 November 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link

i really wanted to see that production at the barbican, but I was away

plax (ico), Saturday, 25 November 2017 13:33 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

This is kinda amazing, I had no idea -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQBlvyE460A

MaresNest, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link

wow, thanks!

Funky Isolations (jed_), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 16:53 (four years ago) link

Wow

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link

Oh my!

Michael Jones, Thursday, 15 August 2019 11:30 (four years ago) link

lots of elements of 'Walk The Dog' in the first bit too

frame casual (dog latin), Thursday, 15 August 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link

This is really something. Part II in particular. Chills. Wow and flutter adding to the queasiness of the strings.

Also...May 17 1980. I remember that weekend (and not just because England got thrashed by Wales) :/

Michael Jones, Thursday, 15 August 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link

this is crazy

na (NA), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:18 (four years ago) link

For dessert - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXfMpZeiKtk

MaresNest, Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link

this is all great, thanks!

tylerw, Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link

Sooooo good. Damn

flappy bird, Sunday, 18 August 2019 05:31 (four years ago) link

yes, incredible. thank you. i'd like to know more about the making of it. the youtube description - "Shortly before beginning work on what would become her magnum opus 'United States Parts I-IV', Laurie Anderson began receiving commissions for new music from several American orchestras. Unfortunately, she had no previous experience writing for orchestras, having preferring to work with small ensembles and electronics in her performance art. The result was an uncomfortable mix of prerecorded tape, electronic instrumentation, and unorthodox orchestral writing" - is kind of pejorative, but the results are stunning. i love work like this that doesn't have an obvious "home" for performance

Karl Malone, Sunday, 18 August 2019 06:13 (four years ago) link

also the part 7 minutes in is unexpectedly gnarly and heavy

Karl Malone, Sunday, 18 August 2019 06:14 (four years ago) link

it sounds like work product, which it is - fascinating for fans, by no means something for people who have never heard LA before

flappy bird, Sunday, 18 August 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

AH AH AH AH MA MA MA MA DILL DILL DILL DILL OH OH OH OH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgU5Cztx490

ernestp, Monday, 18 May 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link


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