the Stranglers: Classicinblack or Dudinblack

From Duchess they were prog really, weren't they. Maybe even from Black and White (note : this is a GOOD thing).

It's actually JJ that sings that, by the way.

Something Better Change? Are you certain?

Positive.

Christ almighty. Men have been hung for less.

Dave, if it had been anyone other that youself who said this.....they'd be dead now.

Styx released a series of great albums in the late '70's / early '80's?!?

The Raven and the Meninblack do co-incide with the band's "health problems" as you put it, plus Hugh's stint in Jail.

Kevin, yeah I think you're right about the monologue in Dagenham Dave, but the rest is definitely JJ.

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Their last album, despite still not having Hugh on it, Norfolk Coast, had some surprisingly damn fine moments on it as well.

Naturally, I love Black and White, it's probably the starkest record they ever made. Of course, they'd experiment further on The Raven, The Gospel According To The Meninblack and La Folie, but those records feel much less stark and stripped-down to me. The only other Stranglers LP that I can think of with such a starkness is, weirdly, Feline.

For a band that were, at the time, noted for anthems like 'Grip', 'No More Heroes', 'Peaches', 'Something Better Change' and so on, tracks like 'Curfew', 'In The Shadows' and particularly 'Enough Time' (which the band tried to re-learn not too long ago, and struggled with it!) are such a huge leap into uncommercial territory. They definitely weren't seeking to please anyone but themselves by this time, a path which they definitely continued down until Aural Sculpture. I get the impression from Hugh's book that he'd tired of making exploratory music by the mid '80s and suddenly wanted to be, well, a pop star.

I mean, christ, I think Hugh's solo album Wolf, which was recorded and released during a time when the tensions that ultimately led to Hugh leaving were starting to rot Hugh's and JJ's friendship/working relationship, has some fine songs on it when they're freed from their heavy-handed production. But, it's definitely a record which is commonly seen as Hugh trying to have success at any cost, consciously trying to forge a distinct solo identity that had more in common with what Phil Collins was doing than his exploratory work with Robert Williams on Nosferatu. It was Cornwell's chinos era.

Hugh's solo work up through "Hi Fi" is pretty damn good, with "Guilty" being particular top drawer and just damn FUN.

Guilty is a great record, agreed! Possibly his best solo record - a great collection of songs that are well performed and Laurie Latham's production is top notch!

Listened to "10" for the first time since 2001 - and doubtless will be my last time. Irredeemable, talk about losing the plot! The big standard synths, drumming and guitar licks are just so boring! "Out Of My Mind" is the only remotely interesting track.

I completely agree. A lot of hardcore fans blame Roy Thomas Baker's production, which to be fair is over the top and ill-fitting, and the fact they had to record the album twice after CBS thought the first recording (with future Oasis producer Owen Morris) was unsuitable. Personally, I just think they just didn't have a strong batch of material that time around. The one song I really like from that whole period is 'Instead of This', which was a B-side!

I'm seeing reports that Dave Greenfield has passed away and it was covid-related. :(

Sadly confirmed.

David Paul Greenfield (29/3/49-3/5/20) We are devastated to announce that Dave passed away last night from Covid 19. Fly straight DG xxx https://t.co/HmnAs1rERe pic.twitter.com/H2570s0cOb

— The Stranglers Site (@StranglersSite) May 4, 2020

Oh no!

This is awful news, remember him this way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYkqLm9cM3Y

Terrible.

Aw, FFS. One of my all-time favourite musicians.

Damn, RIP. I play keyboards very badly. DG set the bar I am for ever trying to reach and come nowhere near.

Awful.

Hugh’s tribute on Twitter

I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Dave Greenfield. He was the difference between The Stranglers and every other punk band. His musical skill and gentle nature gave an interesting twist to the band. (1 of 2)

— Hugh Cornwell (@HughCornwell) May 4, 2020

After their initial run on A&M I kind of lost track/interest, consequently I am listening to The Raven today for the first time ever in memorium. What a weird, wonderful band, with Dave's circus of keyboards coloring everything. RIP.

Goddamn it! Dave's keys are so otherworldly, it shouldn't have worked but it did in spades.

The Raven is my favourite.

He was the difference between The Stranglers and every other punk band.

100%.

Wow, I'd love to be listening to "The Raven" for the first time ever!

I know, right? I own Black and White, and Aural Sculpture, and missed the stretch in between. Youtube is not doing the sound justice, I think I need to buy a physical copy.

Oh man 'The Gospel According To The Men In Black' is brilliant too.

I'm seeing reports that Jet Black has passed away, 84!

It was common knowledge that they were older than the other punks on the scene, nevertheless 84 is still boggling my mind.

I had Laid Black in heavy rotation a number of years back. A departure from their usual, but one that somehow made sense.

restinpeaceinblack.

RIP JB

Damn, I can't believe he was 40 in 1978!!

Love his work. His music will live forever.

Fucking icon.

My two cents on the loss of Jet Black