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btw, gygax, I'm guessing you saw the thing about no Vooredoms album this year in the yahoo group? Dang.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I love Chocolate Synthesizer. In fact, "Synthesizer Guidebook on Fire" is one of my fave track-title combos by anybody.

Lee G (Lee G), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link

actually the drums on vcn are nice but i approached it as some superthrashapocalypticanimejapanoisesmackysexpunkfunkspunkhardcore mess and was dissapointed with the acoustic noises

so really my question is: on which album do i look and find that shit?

gi66y, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link

dleone,
considering the source on that list, i'm not sure what i believe.

gygax!, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Gygax,

Who was the source? I was wondering how accurate that info was myself.

die9o (dhadis), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link

a friend of a friend of a friend of someone at warner japan or something.

gygax!, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link

superthrashapocalypticanimejapanoisesmackysexpunkfunkspunkhardcore

I'd say Chocolate Synthesizer.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Super ae is the best record ever. I love _Soul Discharge_ in a totally different way...

I still remember hearing "Michidai"/"Fuanteidai" for the first time and picking my jaw up off the floor.

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link

hey kate!

it is I, Frances. getting onto this thread way too late I know....um, the thing I played was Vision Creation Newsun. If you heard me on Resonance last night, I was playing Super Are, off Super Ae. Yeah, get both of these albums, and MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL go see the Boredoms live.

I'm sure you have been told this many a time already. But that's because it's true. Live, they have this intense aura of of gonzo wisdom that completely blows my mind (man). And, like 'stirmonster' says, DRUMS! Drums that will make you dance like a mandrill on too much ibogane.

Anyways, was good to meet you the other night! F

FMM (Mr Binturong), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link

As much as I like Super Ae and VCN, Soul Discharge is still my favorite Boredoms. Sure it's probably too weird for most people, but for making you bust a gut laughing while making your jaw drop in awe, there's nothing else quite like it.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Soul Discharge seems to be the best of the early Boredoms stuff, which I never really liked all that much either. Certain tracks seem much heavier than any later material from that era, tho I'll admit I haven't looked into it much at all, so I could be wrong.

But VCN, Super Ae, and Super Roots 7 are all untouchable. I'm liking the new Seiichi Yamamoto album too, but it's nothing like those others. (very quiet/pretty)

original bgm, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Certain tracks seem much heavier than any later material from that era

I'm not sure what you mean by "heavier" but Soul Discharge was less "heavy" in the usual rock sense (loud guitars, pounding drums, riffage) than the early Boredoms material that preceded it, on which they sounded more than a bit like a Japanese Butthole Surfers.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link

SOUL DISCHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ddb, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not sure what you mean by "heavier" but Soul Discharge was less "heavy" in the usual rock sense (loud guitars, pounding drums, riffage) than the early Boredoms material that preceded it, on which they sounded more than a bit like a Japanese Butthole Surfers.

This may be what I'm thinking of then. Like I said, my early Boredoms knowledge is not so hot.

original bgm, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Search: VCN & Super AE
Destroy: Pop Tatari & Chocolate Synthesizer

Juan (Juan), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:54 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I like Chocolate Synthesizer, which I just got recently. They manage to pick out a lot of the best bits of punk and thrash (I don't even know what that is, but I think I sort of do know anyway), just going right for the fun part, without any context as an excuse. Hearing some of this, I find myself thinking: "Oh yeah, that's what I liked about punk when I first started hearing it." Not that its sources are limited to punk. I could get tired of the constant shuffling around though. We'll see.

(I hear a lot of echoes of the Butthole Surfers here, but maybe that's because they just happen to the band closest to this sort of thing that I have listened to the most in the last ten years.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 March 2003 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Do you think they are trying to imitate Porky Pig (among other things) on the last track of Chocolate Synthesizer?

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 30 May 2003 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I am ten years too late to talk about Chocolate Synthesizer.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 30 May 2003 01:56 (sixteen years ago) link

It is IMPOSSIBLE to find anything other than Super AE and *maybe* VCN here.

The super punk ethics shop won't carry major label albums.
The hardcore store only carries hardcore.
The indie stores only carry YYY's, White Stripes, Sonic Youth and Flaming Lips.
Newbury Comics has gotten me the aforementioned albums + one OOIOO CD
The mall CD stores? HAHAHAHAHA

Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 30 May 2003 04:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Pbbbblllltttt.... the Boredoms, like, I don't know, basically made me love music again.

The last two albums are INSANE in their greatness. I mean, I loved the noise stuff to a degree but fuck.. vision indeed.

I think those bastards are just waiting around to release a big ole Super Roots box set. Or maybe not. Either way I need all the Super Roots. Anyone that wantsta trade, please email...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 30 May 2003 06:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I have those, Mr. Diamond, if you want to trade.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 30 May 2003 11:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I only know Vision Creation Newsun but FUCK ME is it infuckingcredible.

Where do I go from there tho? It seems thay're totally different every record they make, which is thoroughly commendable but not a little daunting.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 30 May 2003 11:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Buy Super Ae next for sure.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 30 May 2003 11:55 (sixteen years ago) link

here's my stock response i pasted out of the Boredoms:POO thread cos i'm too luddite to be able to link to it:
yeh - super ae is OK if ye forget the bits that sound like pete townshend circa tommy. perhaps the most amon duul of the reckids they've done. VCN is more or less a 70min cover version of can's "future days" (in a good way). pop tatari and wow2 always strick me as a badly produced heavy amateur metal band like you might see in any pub or student union bar no tunes v. ploddy not "motorik" but het how wacky they got a trumpet player. if you want the kerayzee spazz annoying boredoms the go for soul discharge '77 is good but i like chocolate synthesizer better.

bob snoom, Friday, 30 May 2003 12:03 (sixteen years ago) link

So this is interesting. I'm not suprised about the love here for the "new" boredoms, but I am suprised about the non-rating of the earlier material. I can't help feeling this derives more from some unaccountable current "taste" rather than the quality of the material, i.e. fractured collage art spazz punk is now dated to the 90's while proggy offshoots of the same seem of the moment.

The word "heavy" has come up a lot here, and the other thread talked about "groove". The earlier boredoms had their moments of these, but would subvert the expectations these set up rather than run with them, as the more recent boredoms do. I can see why the latter might make for a more "enjoyable" listening experience. But the earlier boredoms has its own pleasures, even if they aren't related to coherence. My own feeling listening to those records is that they are like a huge disorganized messy pile of brilliant half-realized things. I'd say Chocolate Synthesizer is the apex of this. And it somehow manages to be idiotic and cerebral, funny and serious, arty and artless all at once.

The "new" boredoms go to the opposite extreme--monomaniacal intensity--which somehow makes perfect sense to me. There's an extremity and obsession in ALL their "phases", which give their stylistic shifts a coherence below their surfaces.

So, yes, some of their recordings on their own are probably worth searching over others (I'll defer to above recommendations), but this is also a band that can be appreciated in its totality and (for me, at least) transcends an easy accounting by search and destroy.

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:19 (sixteen years ago) link

super ae is OK if ye forget the bits that sound like pete townshend circa tommy.

I assume you're talking about "Super Going", that guitar tone & the Moonian cymbal wash -- that's one of my favorite tracks on the album. But then, I like Tommy too, so hey.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Hisham Baroocha and Klaus Dinger to thread!

Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 30 May 2003 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link

i think it's the ploddy chanty bits i was trying to characterize w/ the "tommy" ref. another band: check out ROVO feat seichi yamamoto. v nice trancey jams, also AMON DUUL's "psychedelic underground" (i will say again as caveman percussion style RIPPED!(or coincidentally approximated)), and if you like recent trancey boredoms you should like finnish band CIRCLE also try prospekt / SUNRISE (sunrise their best so far - beware of judas priestness - made up language), and their latest "alotus" mmm tight. if you're in the mood to sit around listenening to cyclical music try somo the NECKS. aquatic / hanging gardens you people might like if ye dinnae already . i dunno

bob snoom, Friday, 30 May 2003 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link

SUNRISE (sunrise their best so far - beware of judas priestness - made up language)

But that's part of why it's so great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 May 2003 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link

yeh it da bidniss

bob snoom, Friday, 30 May 2003 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Does anyone know if they have a new album in the works? It's been a while since VCN.

Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 30 May 2003 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Vooredoms album has been in the can since 2001 -- but Warner Japan just doesn't feel like releasing it. There have also been vague rumors of a Super Roots box.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 30 May 2003 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

EY3 has been DJ-ing, he and Yoshimi have been recording (as late as last year). The Boredoms as a group disbanded about 4 years ago after their last show at Fuji-Rock when Seiichi Yamamoto threw his guitar down and shattered it.

the splinter band with EY3 and Y0shimi is known as either V00redoms or 7v07 depending on the amount of drums or electronics or DJ-ing is involved. EY3 has been DJ-ing all over Japan in the last month, Yoshimi has SAIC0BABA and her okinowan/hawaiian hardcore band SUNPM0:00oo, and OoioO is currently on hiatus.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 May 2003 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i hope to learn a little more in a few weeks.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 May 2003 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Yoshimi and Yuka
http://www.junkmedia.org/?i=679

Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 30 May 2003 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link

The Boredoms as a group disbanded about 4 years ago

Really? But what about (for instance) their appearance at All Tomorrow's Parties L.A. last year? That wasn't "The Boredoms"?

Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 30 May 2003 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

For (ATP festival promoters) The Foundation, it was advantageous to book the current incarnation splinter group as The Boredoms but the band that was known throughout the 1990s as The Boredoms is no longer. They broke up at their peak, a feat very few bands have the courage to do. The current 7v07 that will be playing ATP in a few weeks (also as "The Boredoms") is no similar to The Boredoms as UFO or Die.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 May 2003 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link

The Matt Groening ATP flier has "The Boredoms" listed as well. Shady...

And as for early Boredoms, the reason I'm a bit biased and ignore this material despite later albums being some of my faves is because the first Boredoms record I ever bought was Super Roots 1 about 4-5 years ago. I knew nothing about it, vaguely recalled some Boredoms hype, and bought it because it was cheap. Damn near put me off on the Boredoms forevar. Felt like I was on the receiving end of some prank they'd pulled.

Prob. a little silly to still have this bias but I'm a small man!

original bgm, Friday, 30 May 2003 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Super Roots 3 is great tho. Reminds me of black metal.

original bgm, Friday, 30 May 2003 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I have been listening to this mp3 of a song called (Star) for two hours now and it is absolutely fabulous. Perfect drumming (not too tribal), echoing synthesizer sounding like a crossover of a jew's harp and a theremin. And after a while the track falls apart, implodes into noise. Like trying to listen to the radio when turning the wavelength modulator. At the end it gets back into track. Which record is this from? And which is the most essential album of theirs?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 31 May 2003 11:40 (sixteen years ago) link

"Star" (or the symbol for a star) is the second track on Vision Creation Newsun. See above for recs - if you like that, go for VCN, Super ae or possibly Super Roots 7.

dleone (dleone), Saturday, 31 May 2003 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

So far I don't like VCN nearly as much as the other two Boredoms CDs I have, but one thing that impresses me (with Super ae and VCN) is that they have essentially made "Krautrock" albums that are as good as most of the original Krautrock I heard, and completely convincing as a continuation of that sort of approach.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link

About the Vooredoms/7v07 apperance at All Tomorrow's Parties: there are rumors circulating around the internet that this month's ATP Festival in LA has been cancelled and/or postponed until September. I really hope it's not true, but does anyone know anything about this? The ATP web site (www.atpfestival.com) isn't responding.

die9o (dhadis), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:01 (sixteen years ago) link

The remix of VCN by eYe is superior to the original, better than Super AE, but not as good as Pop Tatari, Super Roots 6 or 7.

WOW2 has just been released in the UK, but i'd stear clear if you're not a fan of Onanie Bomb or Soul Discharge.

Does an UNKLE Rebore megamix really exist? This sounds horrid.

ss, Monday, 2 June 2003 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I had written to ATP last week about my tix, and they ("helen") said they had just been sent. Why send them if you're going to cancel the event?

dleone (dleone), Monday, 2 June 2003 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Vooredoms album has been in the can since 2001 -- but Warner Japan just doesn't feel like releasing it.

How are the Boredoms regarded in Japan? Are they music superstars, a national treasure? Is Eye a media hero? (Without knowing, I would guess that they must have, at the very least, the status that Sonic Youth has in the U.S. - if not even more exposure/popularity/"institutional" respect.)

I'm surprised that they couldn't get anything released that they wanted to release.

Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link

ATPLA has been rescheduled for late September.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

(I'm going to keep on making boring comments about the Boredoms. What key is "Tomato Synthesizer" in?)

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 2 June 2003 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link

(Rockist, do you prefer 'Acid Police' or 'B For Boredoms'?)

ss, Monday, 2 June 2003 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link

the unkle remix album does indeed exist. it's better than the dj krush remix album, amazingly.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I already want a tattoo of that image.

Fetchboy, Friday, 9 February 2018 17:39 (one year ago) link

I have really missed this band

sleeve, Friday, 9 February 2018 17:42 (one year ago) link

FUCK
YES

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Friday, 9 February 2018 19:48 (one year ago) link

Whoa

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 February 2018 21:38 (one year ago) link

More boredoms anything of any kind would be a fuckin balm

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:18 (one year ago) link

New Third Eye Foundation and the announcement of new Boredoms on the same day? Fuck yes.

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:44 (one year ago) link

Seadrum/House of Sun-era Boredoms drummer EDA has a band called Adreena Adreena and they are playing this Thursday at Iklectik in London, they look pretty interesting, it's EDA playing solo kit and samples/toys with a huge sphere above his head onto which the other member projects images.

MaresNest, Sunday, 11 February 2018 19:49 (one year ago) link

Does anyone know if there are any bootlegs of the legendary Fuji-Rock show that was supposedly so good that it drove Yamamoto to quit?

Fetchboy, Saturday, 17 February 2018 03:26 (one year ago) link

This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHWtJQ4wbnY

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Saturday, 17 February 2018 10:01 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYyiQRhEvfs

MaresNest, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:03 (one year ago) link

Jesus fucking xt that’s good

Does audio exist of the whole set?

I love how totally square Yamamoto always looked. I guess here it was too wa for him to wear chinos and a polo shirt

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 February 2018 23:20 (one year ago) link

dear god imagine witnessing that

imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 23:25 (one year ago) link

oh my god

frogbs, Monday, 19 February 2018 23:27 (one year ago) link

I already had more transformative live bore experiences than I deserve

1992 seattle just after PT
Vooredoms the first time I saw that lineup
77 boadrum

All changed my life. Maybe if I’d seen super go 1999 it would have broken my input port

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 February 2018 23:30 (one year ago) link

london boadrum was amazing obv yeah but that seems on another level

imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 23:31 (one year ago) link

Yeah it’s like a blinding chimera
Vooredoms but with Yamamoto still there

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 February 2018 23:57 (one year ago) link

wow that's great. almost 20 years ago? i'm sure they can't be quite as wild in 2018 (?)

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 00:24 (one year ago) link

easy to make up for it by adding 20 more drummers

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:00 (one year ago) link

Tbh after the incredible 2007 there were somewhat diminishing returns for me in the next couple of annual eye rituals.

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:02 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/GZoAAOSwNSxVC5~j/s-l225.jpg

Boredoms - Soul Discharge (1989) i've been Eye-ing (ha!) this on vinyl for a while and scooped up a relatively cheap copy off ebay the other day. can't wait to hear it!

https://www.discogs.com/Boredoms-Soul-Discharge/release/1810824

Boredoms records are super expensive but this one has such an awesome album cover i've wanted this for years. might have to invest in some Super Roots as well...

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 22 April 2018 22:16 (one year ago) link

Amazing cover

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Sunday, 22 April 2018 22:39 (one year ago) link

That was my intro to boredoms in 91. I could not believe my ears. It was like if mid 80s buttholes got superevolved

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Monday, 23 April 2018 00:15 (one year ago) link

lucky duck!

flappy bird, Monday, 23 April 2018 00:27 (one year ago) link

record came in the mail today. very noisey & freaky! i will cherish this for all time

i looked up a review and ended up on allmusic, reading a review by one Ned Raggett of ILX fame! the guy knows his stuff =)

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 23:15 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

"Yamatsuka Eye had released a solo album full of samples of “The Pod”"

What Eye album is being referenced here?

trux tracker (edges), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 20:21 (four months ago) link

good question!

Z-Rock Hawaii was recorded in 1994 (released two years later) so it must be from then or before, maybe Chocolate Synthesizer or Super Roots?

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 21:20 (four months ago) link

...yet neither of those are eYe solo albums.

It's Hanatarash 4: AIDS-a-delic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4bDNP5H9VY

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 16 May 2019 13:59 (four months ago) link

sweet, thnx, I don't think I've ever heard 4 or 5

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:04 (four months ago) link


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