Recently on ILM

'Old ILM' = "people who talked about the bands I liked"

'New ILM' = "people who talk about the bands I don't like"

where 'I' is the person using the term. It's a 9/11 cultural upheaval thing.

Ugh, sounds awful. Thank gawd I never met them.

I don't agree with Tom's post above (and I don't understand the 9/11 comment). I'm not really that interested in talking about bands *I* like as being forced to think about music I like/dislike in a new way. The Pinefox is a master at that, and I wish he'd post more. Also using the collective knowledge out there as a sounding board to ask opinions - this largely still works.

There are some people who I wish would post more - Starry for one, also Stevie T and Marcello, and plenty I wish would post less. (Note that these are not people that I necessarily agree with - I just like what they say and the way they say it). Because of the age of the forum virtually 50% of the questions seem to have been asked before too. I guess there's no way to avoid that with newbies.

Anyway, I 'll stick around. I'm boring like that

(this is largely a joke, but it's also true to an extent. the large influx of newbies seem to have arrived hot on the heels of the new year.)

i don't have a -problem- with ilm, per se. i think that'd be implying a sort of propriety/interest which might not be healthy to have in the first place. i -do- think the signal to noize ratio has been terrible lately (and despite what mr. there is no such thing as adovcacy sez above, even he's been playing devils adovacate for the sheer crush of new bytes every day.) part of this may be me, it may be the fact that i don't have much to say about music these days, that there's not much at the present moment which is really firing me up - either from a sheer listening standpoint or a broader social one. on the other, one more mtv is bad mmmkay? post and i'll be happy if greenspun goes down and never comes back. even the threads i've bothered to post to lately have been largely "buying guide" ones, cf. mogwai.

THAT SAID: there seem to be at least a couple threads per week which attempt to make up for it...ethan's psuedonymous "anne" thread for instance. the is ______ rock/pop/klezmer? threads are becoming numbing. (sorry, but it's true.)

Aug 2000 - ILM started, attracts only existing Freaky Trigger readers.

Early 2001 - ILM starts showing up on Google. Momus sends half of alt.fan.momus onto the boards, widening range of regulars.

April 2001 - freakytrigger.com gets wiped out, leaving ILM without a central 'focus' so to speak.

June 2001 - ILE breaks away from ILM - some ILE users almost never post to ILM again. ILM becomes more purely 'music' based.

Later 2001 onwards - loads and loads of Googlers find boards, many stick around; Jay-Z/Nas thread; other sites link to ILM.

The change in ILM has been for better and worse. More Google people = a wider range of music interests (eg Bryan the BOC fan), because you get specialists in almost any style of music. But paradoxically the place starts looking more and more like any other Internet music message board, whatever 'identity' ILM had gets more diffuse.

In practise this means as Dr.C says a much higher noise level, fewer great threads - it also means though that some of the stuff I took for granted I've been forced to defend or think through more and that's a good thing.

I think if you'd asked me when I set up ILM what I'd have wanted it to be, I'd have said a community where any aspect of music can be looked at intelligently and open-mindedly, and where you get to hear surprising viewpoints. It surprises me less these days but I think it's still intelligent and open-minded.

The thing is that if there's a decline it's not the fault of new posters, it's partly the fault of the 'old hands' getting tired of making their arguments again and again and getting a bit lazy, tossing off one-liners to comments that 'back in the day' would have got a para or two. Well that's what's happened with me, anyway!

ILE April 2002: 33 ppl have posted more than 100 messages, 8 of them are women.)

i don't even slightly feel ilm is "dire" at the moment, tho i am a bit bored with being mr one-liner myself (and i suspect others are bored with this too: use other modes mark s)

I've started to censor myself somewhat to avoid this. There are many, many bands about which the only thing I have to say is: "I used to like them more, but I still like a few of their songs." Or "I used to like them, and then I stopped liking them. I've missed their last five or six albums." Why bother really?

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30 of the first 33 new answers on ILM today are by Turrican. O_o

stay off that amphetamine, kids!

what will survive of us is challops

Challopian tube

Yeah, just catching up. I can't be here every second of every day like some.

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Btw, if it's drug advice you're looking for, I hear Ross is an expert.

You're an irredeemable turd

Stick to drug opinions, mate.

so many fucking threads = fire up iTunes, enter search parameter, list

I must admit that the sub-2 minute poll is a lot less interesting than I thought it would be

I guess a few of us are going to get The Sea Nymphs into the rundown which might make it all worth it

Idk why with the short songs poll specifically people seem to feel the need to drop itunes.txt in a thread. Unless one really does believe the TEN BEST SHORT SONGS OF ALL TIME happen to be ten Naked City songs...

I felt guilty about the amount I nominated but it turned out I was comparatively restrained! Would happily vote for anything I mentioned anyway

I'm sure plenty you nominated will.be on my ballot too tbh

In Praise of Moody Midtempo AOR [Started by Josh in Chicago in December 2020, last updated one minute ago by Josh in Chicago on I Love Music] 178 new answers

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for ILM, not for JiC, lol

i mean i like some of that music too, it is a good-natured observation

also very ILM that there is almost 200 posts in less than 24 hours