British Food: Classic or Dud (S&D too)

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Classic anyway. Of course there's a load of crap but it's getting easier and easier to find/make the good stuff. Funnily enough Mark Hix is producing a recipe book along these very lines...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1844002349.01._PE40_OU02_SCMZZZZZZZ_V62198616_.jpg
I haven't read it yet (it's not out till next month) but it looks scrumptious.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 21 September 2006 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I've decided that next time I go to the UK (which is next week), I am actually going to try some British food. Give me a goddamn pie!

i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 21 September 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

you could try that pie n mash cafe in Greenwich - cheap and good.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Gave me food poisoning (although I was 11 at the time)

Ed (dali), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I've eaten there many a time with no ill effects. There's one on Exmouth Market that's much closer to where you'll be staying though, Mandee.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I can find no mention of yorkshire pudding on this thread. This must be remedied.

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

is it fair to say that british food is on balance softer/mushier than American? it never occurred to me until now that my chief objection to it might be textural, that my favorite meals there were in church cafeterias not because the food was very fresh and light and clean-flavored, but because the bread was crusty - i love pret, etc., sandwiches, but the bread is floppier than i'm accustomed to, almost soggy. i did have one fantastic pie in a pub, and maybe i should have done more restaurant-exploring - i was inhibited by the cost.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

is it fair to say that british food is on balance softer/mushier than American?

Yes, it's because we've all got bad teeth.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

OAT CAKES. The home-baked kind, not the pressed-sawdust discs from Walker's etc. Pref. w/wedge of Orkney cheddar.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

British bacon is more to the style I do bacon myself at home (everyone is correct, American restaurant bacon is kind of mesmerizing in how inedible it really is), and I love the fish but reckon you all overrate your chips rather much. Properly done bread pudding with the custard is delicious. I think, though, my problem with British cooking is that I don't fancy eating that much piggies and I can't eat all of these cakes and sweets due to dietary restrictions, so it's not really occurred to me to bother much with it. Nothing to do with reasons of thinking poorly about it! I've never had a problem getting good food in the UK, and the beef is fantastic. Stilton is delicious, as is most English cheddars.

This bread mushiness thing is nonsense, I've never had a problem finding nice bread in the UK.

Haha what is a bit of fun in the UK for Americans, going off subject for a second, is getting things that are readily available in the US but are completely different in the UK. Ex: sushi, ketchup, Coca-cola (for the record our sushi restaurants beat yours but your ketchup and coke is 10x more palatable)

Allyzay is a town of people, people who DIED (allyzay), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.bpic.co.uk/bookrevs/yorkshire_pudding.gif

This bread mushiness thing is nonsense, I've never had a problem finding nice bread in the UK.

while its getting better in the UK, bread quality runs like this:

FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>US BREAD

Haha what is a bit of fun in the UK for Americans, going off subject for a second, is getting things that are readily available in the US but are completely different in the UK. Ex: sushi, ketchup, Coca-cola (for the record our sushi restaurants beat yours but your ketchup and coke is 10x more palatable)

my friend aaron from LA cannot stand british coca-cola (and is a straight-edge musician often touring the UK), though to be honest most convenience stores now sell coke that's bottled all over the place (cheaply imported i guess). there was a time i could tell the difference between coke bottled in the uk and in eire.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The varieties of wheat available for flour in the UK are different from those in the US - US flours are typically higher in protein (aka "strong" flours from hard winter wheat). Gives breads a different crumb/crust. I've been working through Elizabeth David's English yeast bread book and it's not always possible to find equivalent flours in the US.

The lardy cake turned out amazing, regardless.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

UK and US coke are different? i thought the point of this kind of global branding was that Coke is Coke ANYWHERE IN TEH WORLD WOW.

it's teh_kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The US bread thing is equally nonsense, go to one (1) bakery instead of a supermarket and you're sorted out just fine for all manner of loaves.

And yeah, the things that contain copious amounts of high fructose corn syrup in the US tend not to in other countries, leading to a pretty noticable difference in taste.

Allyzay is a town of people, people who DIED (allyzay), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

The US bread thing is equally nonsense, go to one (1) bakery instead of a supermarket and you're sorted out just fine for all manner of loaves.

you're right, of course - i've had some delicious sourdough in the states before. but the difference is you can find ace bread in UK supermarkets, which i haven't seen in the US supermarkets i've been to (but the last i visited tbh would be austin 2004). american bread i've eaten from supermarkets has been insanely nasty, airy, weirdly-textured stuff.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

that partly depends on the UK supermarket, dunnit?

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess, but pretty much all the supermarkets near me (wimbledon/colliers wood) have fresh baked bread in various varieties, even the Somerfield attatched to the petrol station in haydon's road.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i've actually had a pie in that greenwich pie shop, but I was a vegetarian then.. and I'm not, now. So it's time to try some ITTY BITTY KIDNEYS.

i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

well i'm not saying there isn't nice bread - i certainly had some very nice bread (and cheese. and beer!) in churches. but i found like slices of bread to be marginally more pliable than the stuff i usually eat at home. and i found that comparable to a lot of what i ate - meats/fishes are of less 'meaty' cuts and cooked longer, the way vegetables (and potatoes) also are. all of this is the very small-n of my experience, of course, but it's true that meat is in pies more than it is in steak-knife steak, yes? and an apple dessert is a crumble-type thing more often than it is a held-aloft-top-crust pie, right? plus, mushy peas.

my point for myself was maybe i failed to sufficiently appreciate the flavors of what i was eating because i was first experiencing it through a less-familiar textural lens. (and i shouldn't have passed up the epicerie at orrery.)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

The royal oak in Borough does a particularly fine steak and kidney pudding which, as any fool knows, is far better than Pie

Ed (dali), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of insanely nasty weirdly-textured stuff:
http://www.hnfoods.co.uk/shop/images/products/90043.jpg

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to quite like Tartex! I'm not sure that's technically British food though.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

True--I just think of it as a mandatory feature of UK vegetarian shops, right next to the nut roast mix. I assume it was actually developed for the Swiss space program.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Tartex? Looks like toothpaste for Hobbits.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe the food follows from the milder climate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

What's that snack you have in the UK that's like a moist, dense bar of oats or something but then with a thin layer of chocolate or other flavored icing on top? You could find them in just about any convenience store. Man, I miss those.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you mean flapjacks?

http://www.blackfriarsbakery.co.uk/product_pics%5CFlapjacks.jpg

Not to be confused with the US pancake style flapjacks.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes! I was going to say, I think they share a name with something in the US that's completely unrelated.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

flapjacks, you mean? (one of these days I am going to give in and buy one of the ones with "chocolate-flavoured topping" on, I tend to stop and stare at them every time I'm in a newsagent)

bah xpost

ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Those just appear to be granola bars, or breakfast bars??

Allyzay is a town of people, people who DIED (allyzay), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I see no flap here.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

What I like about them is that they're quite filling but don't seem too horrible for you, despite the chocolate. I think some have healthy-ish things like raisins in them. I usually bought one after class in late afternoon to tide me over until dinner.

xpost Ally, they sort of look like that, but they're way better. More cakey.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

To make a flapjack you mix sugar, golden syrup, butter, and rolled oats; i'm pretty sure granola bars and breakfast bars are more complex? Soho coffee co in Oxford used to do something called "granola bar flapjacks" which were the most awesome thing ever, tho.

ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

A couple of websites I found described flapjacks as "oatmeal brownies" or "a cross between a granola bar and an oatmeal cookie," which is about right.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

but don't seem too horrible for you

Haha, that's the problem with flapjacks, you think "ooh, healthy oaty goodness!" and forget there's like 1000 calories in a bar. Think about it, they weigh about 500g each.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 21 September 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

My first ILE thread (I'm pretty sure) dealt with English food!

Read it here.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad you revived that thread, if only to show people that DG wasn't always like this :)

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah you can tell there is genuine contempt behind his comment there re British food being ousted by curry etc. The bigoted swine.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

GERMAN BREAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>US BREAD

ten kebabs maaaaate (fandango), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Lots of countries are good at bread.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

GERMAN BREAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>US BREAD

i remember no bread from my one trip to Berlin. only sausage. plenty, plenty sausage.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

BREAD>>>>>OTHER BREAD

I think the joy of British food is that there are still distinct regional identities e.g. ask for Stargazey Pie outside Cornwall you'll get blank looks. Bath Chaps, Pan Haggerty, Pond Pudding etc. Some British foodies get all weepy eyed over the distinct cuisines of other countries (well you simply can't compare Calabria to any other region etc yawn) and forget that we have our own.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

is roast dinner a british thing. that's probably the only thing i really like

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

but then, roast chicken is no southern fried..

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

what about sausages?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

but then.. frankfurters..

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I once ate so much sausage my ankles were swollen to the size of like, a pre-teen's thigh. It was terrifying. I was also really drunk and kind of freaking out, too.

i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

One of the best things about British food is that things which are not supposed to be sweet (bread, beer) have the appropriate level of savouriness or maltedness. In North America (or in Canada at least) the bread is sweetened to such an extent that it gives off a fetid honeyed odour and doesn't toast properly. Products sold as "ales" in North America also tend to have the appearance of lagers that have been sweetened and dyed brown.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 21 September 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Yorkshire is pretty damn good for food by itself really. Yorkshire Puddings, obviously, cheese, beer and the best chips on the planet. That's better than Ally's tomato diet. I'm hungry.

Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit, CURRY. I can't believe no one's mentioned this yet. So much "Indian" food has been invented over here. And Bradford has the best curry so the Yorkshire diet is looking pretty damn irresistable.

Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Where’s the sheerness one?

steer karma (gyac), Thursday, 23 January 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link

tbh I haven't had a bad one in Hastings. but while I usually go to one that's near the fishing harbour, no idea if the fish actually come from there or if they just get them from a wholesaler somewhere else

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 23 January 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link

been to that one (I think - bit posh, feels like a gastropub inside) and yes, it was very good

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 23 January 2020 22:48 (four years ago) link

It's been 16 months since I left the UK and I'm over most of my cravings now but occasionally I'll see a picture of a bag of British chippy chips on Instagram or Twitter and I want it so bad I could die. Greasy, soggy, undercooked and soaked in vinegar but amazing.

nate woolls, Thursday, 23 January 2020 22:50 (four years ago) link

Sheerness one is on Google Maps as Blue Town Fish Bar but it's actually Bluetown Fish & Chips, on the so-called High Street of Blue Town, which is basically a semi-abandoned dockland area at the tip of the island, not too far from the station. The guy who runs it is...Turkish, I think? Been doing fish and chips in the area for decades apparently. Anyway everything is freshly cooked to order and the chips are amazing. I thoroughly recommend a visit. Check out the ecstatic Google reviews if you're not sure!

opden gnash (imago), Thursday, 23 January 2020 22:56 (four years ago) link

Laughing Halibut - that takes me back - think I last went there in my schooldays.

Hackney one is Sutton & Son - v good

opden gnash (imago), Thursday, 23 January 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link

Ty, I will check out that one! Wasn’t impressed by Sutton & Sons when I lived in Hackney.

steer karma (gyac), Thursday, 23 January 2020 23:22 (four years ago) link

presumably new ownership - it seems very 'recent' idk

sheerness worth a visit regardless - a few v interesting places on the high st

opden gnash (imago), Thursday, 23 January 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link

im starvin now ye fuckeds me insides are touchin

Catherine, Boner of JP Sweeney & Co (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 January 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link

I am still very sad I never got to try Guinness Marmite.

Yerac, Friday, 24 January 2020 01:09 (four years ago) link

I think our best meals on our summer vacation last year were in Newcastle. Considering that any family dining for us has to meet the preferences of A) the sensible pescatarian B) the sausage appetizer with a steak entree hardman C) the eight-year-old young lady who likes some fried things, some green things, and not much else

El Tomboto, Friday, 24 January 2020 04:48 (four years ago) link

WRT Australian Food being well grounded in British food, Australia takes the meat pie to new heights. I will rep for the steak pie from the Caltex servo in Penong, SA, (next to the windmill museum) as being one of the best in existence.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 24 January 2020 05:06 (four years ago) link

My grandma was 100% australian, never been to England & still somehow cooked like a Brit expat every day of her life. Steamed puddings, trifles, kedgereee, every boiled vegetable known to man...

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 January 2020 05:23 (four years ago) link

I am still very sad I never got to try Guinness Marmite.
― Yerac, Friday, 24 January 2020 01:09 (twenty hours ago)

It didn't taste different in any way!

I often wonder what the US/whatever tourists in London really think when they have their shite fish and chips in a pub in a bland pub in zone 1. Poor sods. It really is true 90% of fish and chip shops are very ordinary.

kraudive, Friday, 24 January 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link

Yeah I think they did a champagne Marmite one time and that tasted just like regular Marmite, 😥

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link

Literally the worst thing about Hull is chippies don't do potato scallops

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:06 (four years ago) link

Muswell Hill (of course) has a gourmet fish n' chippy, bit out of the way for the average tourist though

it's after the end of the world (Matt #2), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link

Marmite is still made in Burton-on-Trent, I think, having outlived the brewing industry it is a by-product of there.
Yes, Guinness flavour Marmite was nothing special, but Marmite flavour Guinness is still widely available in corner shops.

fetter, Friday, 24 January 2020 22:47 (four years ago) link

There's still a humongous brewery in Burton, one of the multinationals iirc, and yeah they make Marmite there too. We used to go shopping there once a fortnight or so when I was a kid, the whole town stank of yeast

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link

Having just visited there at the weekend I can confirm that Edinburgh still smells of yeast too.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link

hmmmm... supposedly trying to make homemade marmite is "dangerous and hard to control".

Yerac, Friday, 24 January 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link

Just found a "recipe" that takes 10 days

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:10 (four years ago) link

I really miss the cheap fishcakes I used to get from the fish and chips shops in Liverpool as a kid.

kraudive, Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link

actually bought my first ever squeezy marmite yesterday, will report back on the consistency.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:08 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

My report is that it's just regular marmite. The pot is good though, it dispenses the very thin stream which you need.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 25 January 2020 22:40 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Cheesy chips at Cheltenham Town (@CTFCofficial)

💷 £3 pic.twitter.com/B3ACM7OCbP

— Footy Scran (@FootyScran) December 26, 2021

, Saturday, 15 January 2022 01:59 (two years ago) link

This may be an appropriate thread for me to rediscover the enthusiasm expressed by ILX whenever DUMPLINGS! get mentioned.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 15 January 2022 02:14 (two years ago) link

Muswell Hill (of course) has a gourmet fish n' chippy, bit out of the way for the average tourist though

assuming it's the same one, somewhat impressed it's still going. there was a fancy fish & chips place there when I lived there 2003-6. I only went there a couple of times because the queues were ludicrous but it was pretty good (and didn't cost a fortune either, 17 years ago anyway)

bovarism, Saturday, 15 January 2022 02:22 (two years ago) link

I had some very bland chips at Whaddon Road in 2003 with no not very melty cheese slices. My most notable memory of the day was the house right next to the football ground with a boarded up window where presumably a league two standard defensive hoof had smashed through it at some point.

calzino, Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:30 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

Pie, peas, gravy and a sausage roll at Barnoldswick Town (@barlickfc)

💷 £5.50 pic.twitter.com/21EWlCWcH6

— Footy Scran (@FootyScran) December 1, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link


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