New York City is for sellouts

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I'm in the middle of writing you Ally!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link

my friends are moving to brooklyn from sf because they think it will be more family-friendly. please tell them they are insane.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Carroll Gardens is pretty family-friendly.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Obviously it's ace, otherwise we wouldn't be getting married there (not that I've been before) We may need to start consulting with you NYC types soon for advice on locations for things.

chris (chris), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, my friend is dating the girl in the painting on the wall of the Motor City Bar (in NYC natch).

Yanc3y you have email... Kyle, you will have some shortly!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link

You should get married in the Motor City Bar, btw, Chris.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

We have the location (cherry hill in Central park if Vicky oks it in October)for the actual wedding, but will the Motor city bar suit for drinks the night before with me and my best man (plus entourage?)

chris (chris), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

No no! That place sucks! It's just amusing.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, if you want yr bachelor party to be a time spent looking at grizzled old dudes, hipster men, and ugly bartenders, yeah!!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, MCB blows. And Brooklyn is VERY family friendly. Try Carroll Gardens, Greenpoint, Park Slope or Gravesend.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

They should go to Scores. And also invite me.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd come out to NY for that.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

There's a Motor City bar in NYC?

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Aaron! You and me lets go. Also we should go to Wall St and ride the bull!!!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link

The solution is clear: Worcester.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Um, it's a date Ally! Now I just have to figure out a way to ditch the gf. Or maybe she could come too? Or maybe...... (starting to blush)

Re: MC Bar... Yeah! There's a big Camilo painting of this girl that's dating my friend and all sorts of dumb crap on the walls like "Woodward Avenue" signs. The bartenders were incompetent and it generally sucked, other than for the amusement factor.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, where the fuck else am I supposed to move to? Chicago??

There's this place called the West Coast...

More seriously, I have always enjoyed visiting NYC. I would never EVER want to live there. All it takes are a few humid days or a few winter days to remind me why, the rest of y'all are welcome to it.

NA's initial point about the mediacentric nature of the celebration of the spot is well taken, though. World exists beyond the Hudson River shockah! I'd love to see Woody Allen figure out what the hell to do with himself in Missoula.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link

What, you think I wasn't bringing the bf? Hell I'm pretty sure if you get him drunk enough something really horrible would happen to that bull, actually. IT'S A DATE. A double date. Too bad Traitor Hand isn't invited, what with his moving to England and all!

The West Coast sucks ass, there are like 4 good things about it.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

The Solution is clear : Worcester.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

The West Coast sucks ass, there are like 4 good things about it.

Of course! Me, Noise Noise Noise, Mexican food and all my friends and family. Hurrah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link

The solution is clear: Worcester

kephm, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link

bingo.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Mexican food in Cali is overrated if you've ever lived in Arizona, New Mexico, or Texas, sorry.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I'll second Nick on this. A huge group of our sort-of-friends/associates are like, "Yeah, we're all movin' up to New York. Everybody's doing it. so-and-so and so-and-so and their friends so-and-so and so-and-so."
Someone else, "Oh you didn't hear so-and-so and so-and-so are going up too?"
Friend:"OH really? Yeah, so that makes... basically everyone."

We are so not cool. It's like, you decide to move to New York and struggle and be poor as crap and that's supposed to suddenly make you one of them.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I want to move to Chloride, AZ.

kephm, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Mexican food in Cali is overrated if you've ever lived in Arizona, New Mexico, or Texas, sorry.

*bows* You must excuse me. This is more a matter of regional differences than schism (as opposed to talking about Mexican food in those states -- and the country itself -- versus anywhere else in the world, but we've been there).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

worcester has good mexican food. we also have wonderful seafood (at the one seafood restaurant).

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link

worcester has many hills. never skateboard in worcester.

kephm, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm currently filled with a monstrous urge to hop a flight to da NYC, but that's just cuz one of my old-skool bestest buddies M1c4h L0gsd0n's play (that he wrote, that is) The Working Week and Sunday Rest is dropping this month (opening-night I think is Monday?), and I love my bwoy's work!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Fuck Worcester, it's a hole and I'm also not supposed to go back to Massachusetts anyway.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

worcester rules. ally is gay.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Anyone besides Tracer want to give these questions a shot:

Why move to NYC and not anywhere else in the world? Is there anything left that's special or unique about NYC that doesn't exist in any other large US city?

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I love Haikunym.

Really there's probably nothing more hipster than moving to Brooklyn these days other than doing so while wearing a trucker hat.

When Paul's Boutqiue came out I was fourteen and had it set in my mind then that I *had* to live in NYC. I did move there ten years later but was back in TX in less than two. It was something I had to do, for my own reasons. I'm glad I did but it's not a place I wanted to stay.

Part of me would still love to live in SF b/c I just think it's a fantastic city. But moving is a pain in the ass and any move away from TX would just be temporary for me so why bother?

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

To answer NA's question more directly: Mayor Bloomberg is unique to NYC, so people move there for him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

if i had a choice to move, it would be to St. Albans, Vermont. 1 hour from Montreal and 6 hours from here. Its quiet, peaceful, condusive to furniture making and beard growing.

although i would be interested in the OC. I have never seen california.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

i think if you live in the middle of nowhere & want to get the funk out, nyc is as good a choice as any.
is it a bit trendy to move there? yes.
does this ruin the city? no.
competition is a good thing, esp. for musicians no?

masteroftheobvious, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm interested in this question, too.

Mandee, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Why move to NYC and not anywhere else in the world?

1) Laziness (I'm originally from here)
2) School
3) Innate hatred of the type of people who come on a thread about NYC and then proceed to big up Worchester and LA.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't fuck with the Worcester.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

++Fuck Worcester, it's a hole.

this line is bending my brain

kephm, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

"i think if you live in the middle of nowhere & want to get the funk out, nyc is as good a choice as any."

Yeah, this is kind of my point.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

although i would be interested in the OC. I have never seen california.

There are better spots than OC out here, believe me, but I'm comfortable enough. :-)

3) Innate hatred of the type of people who come on a thread about NYC and then proceed to big up Worchester and LA.

Show me where I specifically talked about LA on this thread and I'll agree to this point. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Welcome to Boston's inferiority complex, show starts at 7.

Other reasons for NYC is a built up image of glamour and star power and grit that is long gone and no longer a reality. AKA what Tracer said, it's kind of hard to add anything to what he said. He didn't really mention the drugs.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Move to NYC and make out with Chloe Sevigny in seedy locales!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's actually true.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, this is kind of my point.

I'll agree. Right now if I was recommending places to get out to from somewhere -- strictly in American terms -- I'd suggest Seattle or SF, actually. Those living there would probably have their own perspectives on why this would be good or bad.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link

So, Ally, are you essentially saying that there's no good reason to move to NYC as opposed to any other large metropolitan city? Your reasons for moving there seemed mainly personal, and you imply that anything special about the city is now gone. Am I reading you right?

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

True to what Ally said, post-Giluani NYC is like Disneyland.

I've encountered far more grit living in East Dallas than I did in NYC.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't get me wrong I love NYC. But would never want to live there. Way too much for me. Boston suits me well enough.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

NYC appears to be the Glasgow of the States.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

nyc is for BUYERS

I am outta time here

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:52 (eight months ago) link

treesh otm new york sucks

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:53 (eight months ago) link

and a lot of my recurring anxieties here are commuting on the subway-related too

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:54 (eight months ago) link

morbs, are you really leaving?

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:55 (eight months ago) link

The subway is so brittle. I was working last fall for a couple of months with a terrible commute and it distinctly would change once some event like the start of school or a cold snap happened. I would leave almost 45 minutes ahead of time so I could just read and not stress.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:58 (eight months ago) link

NYC sucks for sure. I lived in Brooklyn for a while 25+ years ago and it sucked then. I’m happy as hell living in Jersey and only going into NYC once or twice a month (tonight being one of those times).

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:59 (eight months ago) link

Yerac I am literally 3-4 months from running out of money, at which point I will either move into my friend's basement, start living on credit, or go to my sister's in CT.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:09 (eight months ago) link

yeah but is it a new kind of suck, it the old, classic hectic/stressful/loud/lonely kind of suck. did it suck less, say, in the 90s?

Nick Chiveon (rip van wanko), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:10 (eight months ago) link

(first 'it' should be 'or', sorry)

Nick Chiveon (rip van wanko), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:10 (eight months ago) link

Some things were bad in the '90s, but you could live here alone if you weren't an investment banker.

The primary new drawbacks (aside from nearly every bar/institution/eatery I liked in 1995 being gone) are the deterioration of mass transit and millions of phone-staring morons impeding my walking.

The cinema choices are better than ever, however.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:14 (eight months ago) link

don't live on credit. It will will be even more impossible after. Take the kindness of friends or your sister.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:20 (eight months ago) link

xpost i just found after the fact that enid's closed. I didn't completely love it but now it makes sense why people have been talking about that camel for the last couple of weeks.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:21 (eight months ago) link

The phone staring morons are everywhere.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:21 (eight months ago) link

but it matters more when the byways are mobbed.

I would die of boredom in CT inside a year.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:25 (eight months ago) link

i remember elvis telecom, some years ago, remarking on how there was less jaywalking in nyc than he'd remembered. but it was Because of the Phones

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:27 (eight months ago) link

I’m happy as hell living in Jersey

Hahahaha

calstars, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:53 (eight months ago) link

xpost Nothing is permanent. Live in CT for 3 months, 6 months, 2 years. Regroup, get well. It will be a blip after it's over.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:10 (eight months ago) link

it's hard for me to square my concern for morbs with my desire for him to learn how to drive

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:13 (eight months ago) link

Full disclosure: i was lookin to leave this year but i started seeing someone who is incredible. That’s the only reason I’m sticking around for now.

Maybe if I took a job in a less trend-driven industry i wouldn’t feel as aggressively “in new york” as i do now and i could kinda relax about it. There is a sense in which nyc feels like the center of the action, and some people really thrive on that, but i haaaaaaaaaaate that aspect. I just want to be.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:29 (eight months ago) link

However, the universe conspired to bring me here, as it didnyears ago to bring me to ilx, and i’ve met amazing people in nyc and learned a lot of (sometimes painful) lessons and maybe i should just trust

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:33 (eight months ago) link

morbs' birthday is coming up

let us fap

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:45 (eight months ago) link

it's a lose-lose

I have been maladapted to New England for 14 years now, I still feel most at home and most comfortable in nyc and try to get down as often as possible, as I will next weekend, but I know I could probably no longer endure the kind of loneliness-in-a-crowd that it can impose when living there

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:47 (eight months ago) link

how there was less jaywalking in nyc than he'd remembered. but it was Because of the Phones

I wish they'd keep jaywalking, it would cull the herd.

mook if I learned to drive someone would die really quickly.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:21 (eight months ago) link

my birthday falls on Easter Sunday this year, and it's amazing how many of my heathen NY friends are leaving town to eat ham or whatever

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:32 (eight months ago) link

i lived in indiana for a decade, depression is much deadlier than boredom

i can also personally attest that it's possible to be a very bad driver for a very long time and not kill anybody

it's been a long time since i've been to nyc, but i've felt that loneliness-in-a-crowd thing everywhere i've lived!

Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Saturday, 13 April 2019 10:19 (eight months ago) link

Morbs I had forgotten this! Me

Me too! 4/21

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 April 2019 10:36 (eight months ago) link

i will put in a vote for non-hipster brooklyn. i get the cemetery and prospect park and some old neighborhood shit and no bars. it's nice.
morbs, you share a birthday with bridget everett!
i would do an ilx hang; it's been a very long time.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:49 (eight months ago) link

three months pass...

glad i lost my hair or i might've been pulled in for questioning

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:25 (four months ago) link


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