Chess - classic or dud?

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The queens we use would not excite you Jim.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 13 March 2003 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link

The ILX production of Chess...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 March 2003 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I love chess and the idea of chess, but I suck. Actually I haven't played for about four years...I went to a chess club thing my freshman year of college, got beaten (twice) in a matter of minutes, realized I was out of my league and didn't want to put the time into memorizing real chess stuff.

A couple of people in my band are excellent chess players. On our last out of town gig they were telling me about the latest Kasparov/Deep Blue Jr. thing, that shit is fascinating.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I cannot get my head around chess whatsoever, I think chess is a guy thing.

Now Go, on the other hand, that I like. I wish I was a lot better at it, but it has an organic beauty that chess just doesn't. Less logic, more intutive. And it looks sexy and elegant.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:53 (sixteen years ago) link

classic: battle-chess for the PC.
dud: pepperidge farm chesspiece cookies. yuck

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I think chess is a guy thing

I can think of a few people who might have something to say about that one...

I love chess, and wish I had more talent for it; the taste of success I've had at a handful of tournaments is enough to make me want more, but alas, I'm not a visual thinker, so that limits me severely. Still, I'd like to get a master's rating someday; judging by the difference between my rating now, and the one I had when I started playing tournaments, I'm about two-thirds of the way there. I haven't played a tournament in several years, though, and I suspect the advent of Internet chess is hitting the world of OTB (over-the-board) tournaments pretty hard...

Phil (phil), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Cheap but sturdy wooden chess pieces = classic.
The game itself? Well have no mind for it and none of my friends enjoy it so = dud.

Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:44 (sixteen years ago) link

One of my better games of chess (I'm black):

1. e2-e4 e7-e5
2. g1-f3 g8-f6
3. f1-c4 d7-d5
4. e4xd5 f6xd5
5. f3xe5 d5-f4
6. o-o d8-g5
7. e5-g4 f8-d6
8. f1-e1+ c8-e6
9. c4xe6 f7xe6
10. d2-d3 g5-d5
11. g4-e3 d5-g5
12. g2-g3 o-o
13. e3-g2 f4-h3+
14. g1-f1 f8xf2++

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:51 (sixteen years ago) link

"Now Go, on the other hand, that I like. I wish I was a lot better at it, but it has an organic beauty that chess just doesn't. Less logic, more intutive. And it looks sexy and elegant. "

Go is very beautiful to play. Your mind is expanding two ways at once (defense/offense), yet the board and pieces form a minimalistic pattern and the clicking noises as you make a move are so peaceful.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:56 (sixteen years ago) link

i can't say i know anything about go.
but as far as chess goes - classic
& when you lose - classic - because that's how you learn

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 13 March 2003 06:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I like chess but I am gawdawful at it. I have this mental deficiency where I can't plan more than one or two moves ahead so I can't really plan. I play with my girlfriend occasionally and she always always beats me. I should read some chess how-to books or something.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 13 March 2003 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever won a game. Ever. Ronald Reagan could probably beat me if we played this afternoon.

dave q, Thursday, 13 March 2003 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link

you could beat george bush tho'.

classic. I've always meant to join the chess club at uni but ILX stops me.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 March 2003 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I like chess. My dad taught me how to play when I was very young, but I'm not very good at it. My best chess playing memories are when I went to stay with my friend Tom in Granada in Spain. He was studying out there, but he'd finished his work for the year and most of his friends hadn't, so the two of us spent most of the days and early evenings sitting about in cafes, playing chess, drinking beer and eating tapas.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 13 March 2003 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

classic when someone shouts down a hall of residence corridor, "You left your pawn in my room last night!"

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 13 March 2003 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link

I'll think about it and let you know in about thirty posts time.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 13 March 2003 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I couldn't get my head round it -- admittedly this was 20 years ago -- so I give it a flippant, dismissive dud.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 13 March 2003 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I have to actually admit that I don't know how to play chess. I don't even know what moves the pieces make :-/

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 14 March 2003 03:23 (sixteen years ago) link

classic w/o doubt. I suck at it but it's really fun to play if your opponent isn't one of those clock freaks from the park or something.

Searching for Bobby Fischer is one of my fave movies evah

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:26 (sixteen years ago) link

"Bobby Fischer vs. the Rest of the World" by Brad Darrach is a hilarious (and sadly out-of-print) book about Fischer's antics en route to winning (and then throwing away) the world chess championship, whilst single-handedly jump-starting America's post-1972 chess craze. He was one of the stranger characters of the last century, no doubt.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I've read the piece that book started out as, an early '70s Playboy article that was reprinted in The Best Sports Writing of the Century anthology; it's grate

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Did anyone see that chess movie with John Turturro?

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:48 (sixteen years ago) link

no, what's it called?

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:51 (sixteen years ago) link

"pawnography"

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I liked it as a kid and then neglected it, disliked it even, until I moved here in September. My housemate brought a chessboard. I started liking it again. I usually win against my housemates but have only managed to even tie my computer one time. However, I lost against my dad the last time I was in Ottawa. I can relate to the "can't get my head around it" sentiment because that's how I felt about it throughout high school, even through undergrad if I ever even thought about it then. Somehow it started making sense again.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 14 March 2003 07:20 (sixteen years ago) link

THe chess movie with Turturro is The Luzhin Defense, which is an adaptation of the Nabokov book "The Defense." It's about a crazy chess genius.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Chess in the context of giant pieces on a checkered surreal landscape is also classic.

Or just the giant pieces in general that they have someplaces in Europe. They are fun to play with.

Also in "Alice Through the Looking Glass"

And also all the many different kinds of chess sets like civil war pieces or other themed sets are classic:

http://www.war-art.com/images/f602.jpg

http://www.sapart.freeserve.co.uk/aa.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/dovshuk/jjppga/krig11.jpg

http://chess.com.ru/img/opposition-13.jpg

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Is the last one Dan's personal chess set from the Franklin Mint?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

haha chessmen of gor!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

mark s is my hero

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

The other great chess novel, besides the Nabokov mentioned, is Queen's Gambit by Walter Tevis.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 March 2003 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

classic. lets not forget 4 way chess.

(From the Weekly World News, May 24, 1994)
MOSCOW - Doctors are blaming a rare electrical imbalance in the brain for the bizarre death of a chess player whose head literally exploded in the middle of a championship game!
No one else was hurt in the fatal explosion but four players and three officials at the Moscow Candidate Masters' Chess Championships were sprayed with blood and brain matter when Nikolai Titov's head suddenly blew apart. Experts say he suffered from a condition called Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis or HCE.

"He was deep in concentration with his eyes focused on the board," says Titov's opponent, Vladimir Dobrynin. "All of a sudden his hands flew to hi temples and he screamed in pain. Everyone looked up from their games, startled by the noise. Then, as if someone had put a bomb in his cranium, his head popped like a firecracker."

Incredibly, Titiov's is not the first case in which a person's head has spontaneously exploded. Five people are known to have died of HCE in the last 25 years. The most recent death occurred just three years ago in 1991, when European psychic Barbara Nicole's skull burst. Miss Nicole's story was reported by newspapers worldwide, including WWN. "HCE is an extremely rare physical imbalance," said Dr. Anatoly Martinenko, famed neurologist and expert on the human brain who did the autopsy on the brilliant chess expert. "It is a condition in which the circuits of the brain become overloaded by the body' own electricity. The explosions happen during periods of intense menta activity when lots of current is surging through the brain.

Victims are highly intelligent people with great powers of concentration. Both Miss Nicole and Mr. Titov were intense people who tended to keep those cerebral circuits overloaded. In a way it could be said they were literall too smart for their own good."

Although Dr. Martinenko says there are probably many undiagnosed cases, h hastens to add that very few people will die from HCE. "Most people who have it will never know. At this point, medical science still doesn't know much about HCE. And since fatalities are so rare it will probably be years before research money becomes available."

In the meantime, the doctor urges people to take it easy and not think too hard for long periods of time. "Take frequent relaxation breaks when you're doing things that take lots of mental focus," he recommends

kephm, Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

The chess movie with Turturro is The Luzhin Defense, which is an adaptation of the Nabokov book "The Defense." It's about a crazy chess genius.

So was it any good? I saw the preview, but I thought maybe it would be difficult to get much on-screen drama about chess.

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Searching for Bobby Fischer is one of my fave movies evah

have you seen Rosenbaum's review?

I had a brief chess phase when i was a kid during which i played in tournaments like those shown in the movie (i think waitzkin may have been at them), but in the lowest division and i don't think i ever won more than one game - at best, i think i got a rating in the 1300s. fun stuff, but i think you need to start reading about chess and memorizing tactics to get anywhere and i didn't have the patience or the interest.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I never liked it, mostly because I was never very good at it. My salsa teacher recommended it a long time ago as a way to develop my spatial sense, which annoyed me, though I just saw some sort study which shows (not surprisingly) that the regions of the brain used by good chess players are typically associated with spatial perception.

I used to be fairly good at Othello, which I guess is kind of "Go, jr." Now Go, I have always found very aesthetically appealing, but I've never played it. Chess seems sort of ugly to me somehow. It's not just the pieces, since I've seen that I like (especially those from Man Ray or Arp, or whoever it was that designed those chess sets you see Marcel Duchamp sitting next to.)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

(The one I'm thinking of was by Max Ernst, though Man Ray and Hans Arp also designed chess set.)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...
So has anyone here been to see The Art Of Chess at Somerset House? I loved it, even though I have no more than a passing interest in the game. My favourite was 'Sound Chess' in which all the pieces are identical but make a different sound when you pick them up. The Chapmans' board was highly predictable (for them), but Damien Hirst's was clever and funny. Of the older collection, I couldn't help but love the Art Deco 'Tsunami' chess board.

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 07:46 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.chesscenter.com/shop/item2997.htm

(not work-safe)

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 10:44 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
pictures of the mind of a supercomputer at work Image 01
Image 02
Image 03

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 12 September 2004 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link

i gotta play chess again soon!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 12 September 2004 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

I've started playing a Facebook version of chess with a friend lately, and I'm getting better. (Where better = very slightly above totally clueless.) I know some ilx people used to play on RedHotPawn.com, and I much prefer that interface to the Facebook one. For instance, on Facebook, there's no submit button -- all moves are final. And some other stuff that makes it more difficult for a beginner.

Anyway, who still plays? Dan Perry is schooling me pretty good right now (I had him a pickle a few moves ago, then I blew it big-time).

kenan, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

What version is it? Hit me up on it if you'd like.

Casuistry, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

I am pretty bad at chess if only bcz I cannot concentrate lately. I was pretty good when I played it a lot but not HS chess club levels. My boyfriend is so paranoid that if he leaves the room I will mess up the pieces that I have to take a digital camera photo while he's there to compare. It's the one 'trust issue' he has.

Abbott, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 01:40 (twelve years ago) link

I am very bad at chess - I like to be aggressive, 'trade pieces' etc. and it never works out well.

Do not really understand the whole 'openings' thing about chess - doesn't that mean certain moves are basically scripted and both sides should know how to counter? Is black always on the defensive in that case?

milo z, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

The version Bobby Fischer made up where the back pieces are semi-randomized seems interesting.

milo z, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, so does naziism

deeznuts, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

i havent played in years but yeah openings are 'scripted' to a longer & longer length the higher you go; typically yes black is going to be on the defensive but can counter white in ways that make him unfamiliar; immediate & simple ex being the sicilian defense (instead of e4-e5, e4-c5). some opening variations run into the teens & twenties amongst the really really schooled guys.

deeznuts, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 02:24 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah the dude I've been playing is better at thinking about chess than I am, just more experienced, but I've been studying the common openings and defenses and he hasn't, and he didn't even realize that's what I was doing. He'd be like, "Wow... you're defense in very enviable right now." Yes, well. Of course my middle game is a mess.

kenan, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 02:30 (twelve years ago) link

Should read "Your defense is very enviable" etc. Oh, typing.

kenan, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 02:39 (twelve years ago) link

Kenan pwns this app.

Eazy, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

while that is pretty I'm intrigued to see your opponent's excellent/good/inaccuracy/mistake/blunder ratio, and what happened to his g pawn

imago, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:52 (eleven months ago) link

actually, you have all 16 pieces so his g pawn must have fallen on the g file, with queen intruding after too-hasty development of knight (rip, presumably with the mate) and bishop

ergo noob city

is this how u do cheesbrahs

imago, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:55 (eleven months ago) link

Yes you're right. Good detective work! He lost a pawn and a piece on the g file and a couple of pawns in the middle.

I'm calling this the cajunsunday immortal.

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:20 (eleven months ago) link

ah no. posted the wrong image. oh well!

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:20 (eleven months ago) link

https://wansteadandwoodfordchess.club/index.php/61-magnus

magnus is a bro

very legal and very cool (k3vin k.), Saturday, 1 December 2018 23:04 (eleven months ago) link

: )

calstars, Saturday, 1 December 2018 23:07 (eleven months ago) link

ale for the champion

imago, Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:54 (eleven months ago) link

The Speed chess championship final between Wesley So and Hikaru Nakamura is happening now.

https://www.twitch.tv/chess

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Sunday, 2 December 2018 22:09 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx6xUfMWkAAawtz.jpg:large

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2019 16:43 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I’d like to blame it on my penchant for playing while drinking, but my rating seems to just get worse and worse, now flirting with mid 900s, falling from around 1100 when I started playing daily maybe a year and a half ago. But the game is so real.

calstars, Sunday, 17 February 2019 23:20 (eight months ago) link

I don’t have any inclination to stop playing though. Maybe I’ll get down to true beginner level soon and can rebuild my foundation from scratch

calstars, Sunday, 17 February 2019 23:35 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

down to 930! I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but hey

calstars, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:20 (eight months ago) link

too much focusing on attack at expense of defense?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 8 March 2019 18:29 (eight months ago) link

i'm somehow getting worse the more i play. maybe i'm more aware of how bad i am

global tetrahedron, Friday, 8 March 2019 22:06 (eight months ago) link

1 step back 2 steps forward is for sure a thing in chess i find when i'm a losing streak it helps to start being more attentive, think more about whether i'm hanging any pieces, think more about possible checks and captures, and just slow down in general. nb i have lots of clock problems when i play ymmv.

Mordy, Friday, 8 March 2019 22:07 (eight months ago) link

In the openings - develop your minor pieces, don't do too many pawn moves, don't bring out your queen too early, castle early.

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Saturday, 9 March 2019 13:22 (eight months ago) link

streaks are a thing in chess, for sure.
I also I tend to lose the first game of the day. It's almost a law.

Ludo, Saturday, 9 March 2019 13:27 (eight months ago) link

Yes, I am aggressive. That’s how you win, right?

calstars, Saturday, 9 March 2019 22:48 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

Attack can be the best form of defence, but from a solid base as per cajunsunday's post

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Saturday, 13 April 2019 08:10 (seven months ago) link

These days I’m just trying to have a bit more fun with it. Like jumping into a multiple move exchange just to see what interesting positions can emerge

calstars, Saturday, 13 April 2019 11:50 (seven months ago) link

Which is also good in that you get more space on the board to play with hopefully

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 14 April 2019 07:37 (seven months ago) link

starcraft > chess

lumen (esby), Sunday, 14 April 2019 08:45 (seven months ago) link

Starcraft vaguely like real time chess

calstars, Sunday, 14 April 2019 12:35 (seven months ago) link

starcraft is great but not better than chess

Mordy, Sunday, 14 April 2019 15:03 (seven months ago) link

been playing backgammon lately, a lot, for some reason. Maybe i no longer believe in brains just in FAITH

:P

Ludo, Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:22 (seven months ago) link

I'm hooked again I think. I played everyday for a couple of years, 25 years ago in college.
I estimate my rating to have been 1400-1450. We had some strong players in the club who were
very helpful. One guy was rated 2400+ and was always top 2 or 3 in Wisconsin. I think I'm back to
over 1300 again, but I'm confident that's going up, although slowly I'm sure. I know now to study more
endgame and tactics now. Back then everybody wanted to memorize the opening moves.

OMG the tools that are available now. Just all those videos on youtube alone. I like the St Louis
Chess Club's channel the best.

Chess.com has to be the greatest website ever. The new interface for going over your games is so cool.
You can go back and see all your mistakes and the better moves in about 5 minutes. The puzzle rush for tactics
practice is also great.

This could be trouble for my free time.

nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:23 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Just won a 10 minute blitz game and am on top of the world

calstars, Saturday, 22 June 2019 02:00 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Recently reached 1k after a long time
You’ve come a long way, baby

calstars, Saturday, 13 July 2019 03:03 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

I beat that Korean entity btw

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 23:30 (two days ago) link


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