i read that as matthew boner
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
How are Xeno and Oaklander avant rock? (It's a good list and everything...)
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire - Hip Hop 2010
Cam'Ron & Vado ft. Kid Cudi - Ur Killin MeLil B - 6 KissRoc Marciano - MarcbergTravis Porter - Proud To Be A ProblemRick Ross ft. Styles P - BMF (Blowin' Money Fast)Tyler The Creator - BastardWaka Flocka Flame - FlockaveliKanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted FantasyYoung Dro - Freeze MeYoung L - Young L-E-N
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
is that hua hsu
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
"Compiled by Andrew Nosnitsky"
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/atnU6.jpg
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
aka noz. weird to mix tracks & records in such a short list
― zvookster, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Noz otm
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 18 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
noz is really repping for that cam & vado track, it's good but it seems like a weird choice given all the great songs they had this year
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 18 December 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to the Rangers now and it's fine (super-boring band name and album title though), but I would not have thought that sounding vaguely like Ashra Tempel would make something "avant-rock." This and the other stuff I've listened to from that Wire list so far all sounds like I could have been listening to it in the early 80s, which is fine I guess.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, Michael Hurley is considered "avant rock" now?? (Guessing his records are still too slow and quiet for me regardless, but you never know. Still wish he'd make something like Have Moicy! again.)
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
The criterion for being "avant" is just that it gets covered in The Wire, I think. God forbid they would write about anything other than the cutting edge (or admit to it).
― seandalai, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i got nothing bad to say about the wire. someone has to write about that stuff. might as well be them. they do a good job. do kinda wish there was a Wire-y Option-esque monthly in the states though.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Then why do they need to have a separate "avant rock" list? Wouldn't that just be the same as their regular list? (Oh wait, the other stuff would be avant non-rock, maybe. I should probably read The Wire more, and I wouldn't ask such dumb questions.)
Btw, speaking of metal lists (as Scott sort of was), I think my favorite thing in the Decibel year-end issue is that the Agalloch/Ludicra guy put Blessure Grave's Judged By Twelve, Carried By Six in his Top Five. I was starting to think I was the only person who even noticed that record. (My goth album of the year, probably, if I had one. Unless Chrome Dome's EP counts, maybe.)
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i like young l but thats not top ten material imo
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i like all that shit except Lil B and there's def a lot in there that's not top 10 material
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda wish there was a Wire-y Option-esque monthly in the states
Or better yet, Op-esque!
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
sounding vaguely like Ashra Tempel
Or sometimes Durutti Column, or some lost very Krautrock/prog. influenced post-punk band.
I'm not trying to attack the Wire, really, which is kind of a passe activity at this point. I'll take the Rangers over any of the major indie rock releases I've heard from this year.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Signal To Noise is American, right?
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
actually when i think about it, young L makes perfect sense as an act that the wire should be into
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
The reason it's called Avant Rock is because that is a monthly reviews section in The Wire. The Wire has a large, long general reviews section which covers all genres with a few featured reviews and then various subgenres have one page each of about ~10 1-2 paragraph reviews. So the Avant Rock is just a wire-designated subgenre that they use to organize reviews. They also have a review section called "Outer Limits" which is significantly more vague and broad than "Avant Rock." I would say Avant Rock roughly spans the line of accessibility from indie-crossover territory (Ariel Pink) to "anything using a guitar" (Bill Orcutt). Rangers and Xeno & Oaklander are the only dubious inclusions under that rubric.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
x-posts
I think so. I won't buy it any more because the print is too small and the text is too close to the binding. Also Signal to Noise is a little more: interviews with people who do pirate radio broadcasts of electro-acoustic improv out in the middle of Utah.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
It must mean something because I think I tend to end up liking things labeled "avant rock" more than I do things labeled indie rock.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i was reading some old signal to noise issues. they are interesting. they really like sun ra.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
would be interested to read whiney/deej's picks for 2010 hiphop top 10
― cozen, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i usually do a top 25—i'll drop that in January.
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Bick B -- please post The Wire's Outer Limits and Electronica lists next! :)
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, Nick :(
noz likes the kanye? u________u
― k3vin k., Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Why don't you guys go support the Wire and buy a copy, ffs
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
FYI, YOU WHINEY G, my fkn subsriber's copy hasnnae gotten here yet! FFS :D
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
xp - ha!
My subscription copy hasn't arrived yet. Snow disruption innit.
― seandalai, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's whiney g who, out of spite, 's holding back our copies. ffs, too.
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
WHINEY GIVE US OUR WIRES
― seandalai, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Expo 70 sounds like electronic music 1981 (with some sort of Pauline Oliveros accordion drone intro--or was that not an accordion?).
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire - Outer Limits 2010
Alessandro Bosetti - ZwolfzungenCold Cave/Prurient - Stars ExplodeEmeralds - Does It Look Like I'm Here?Evil Moisture - If You Want To Fuck The Sky, Teach Your Cock To FlyRobin Fox - A Handful Of AutomationThe Haters/Hal Hutchinson - Xylowave 2010/Amplification IIHum Of The Druid - Norse FumigationRolf Julius - Music For The EarsKeranen - Bats In The AtticMonos - Above The SkyPedestrian Deposit - East Fork/North ForkDave Phillips - ?Sculpture - Rotary Signal EmitterSudden Infant - My Life's A GunshotVomit - Resonance
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Evil Moisture - If You Want To Fuck The Sky, Teach Your Cock To Fly
I don't believe in any of those.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wire - Electronica 2010
Luke Abbott - Holkham DronesJ Bliebz x Shamantis - U Smile 800% SlowerJames Blake - KlavierwerkeFranz Bretschneider - EXPCluster - QuaEkoplekz - Stalag Zero/Distended DubKangding Ray - Pruitt IgoeLoveliescrushing - CrwthNest - RetoldPhilippe Petit - Off To TitanRaime - Raime EPNicholas Szczepanik - Dear DadT++ - WirelessDavid Tagg - PentecostVex'd - Cloud Seed
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
J Bliebz x Shamantis - U Smile 800% Slower
awes
i nominated this in the tracks poll (tho under jbieb only)
will be proselytizing in its favour in the weeks to come
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
the wire EOY issue is always worth getting btw
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Shit, I did a typo there, maybe I was thinking about Blieb Alien
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
http://realniggatumblr.tumblr.com/post/2365720006/rnts-top-25-tracks-of-2010-that-went-under-the
Yo Gotti (feat.Rick Ross, Young Jeezy, and The Clipse)-“Cocaine Muzik”E-40 (feat.Clyde Carson & Husalah)-“Lightweight Jammin”Plies-“Boosie”Gucci Mane & Waka Flocka Flame-“Bite Me”Stunnaman (feat.Young L)-“Paper Birds”Juicy J (feat.Billy Wes & Mac Pooh)-“Styrofoam Cup”Meek Mill-“Indian Bounce”Playaz Circle (feat.Young Buck)-“Issues”Jackie Chain (feat.D Love)-“Long Way”Rittz-“My Time Is Now”Diezel (feat.Jadakiss, Alley Boy, and Count)-“Straight Off The Block”G-Side (feat.Chris Lee)-“Money In The Sky”Mookie Jones (feat.Smoke DZA)-“Cloud Making Machine”Mike Bigga (feat.Ludacris & Game)-“Still My Nigga”Jim Jones (feat. Joell Ortiz & Chink Santana)-“Cocaine Dreams”Tity Boi (feat.Dolla Boi)-“Not Ya Ordinary”David Banner-“Who’s That”French Montana (feat.Project Pat & Juicy J)-“Money, Weed, Blow”Tay Don-“Robbin Season”Yukmouth-“Grittin”Freddie Gibbs (feat.Pill)-“Do Wrong”KD-“Better Than Mine”L.E.P. Bogus Boys-“Goin’ In For The Kill”Alley Boy-“Shiester”Skroodle-“Get Yo Shit Right”
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I know one place where "LIGHTWEIGHT JAMMIN" didn't go under the radar
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
RNT = rap blog of the year
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
http://gifsofpopularrappers.tumblr.com/
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
"Alessandro Bosetti - Zwolfzungen"
nice! so that makes dusted, the wire, and me big upping the bosetti.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
its too bad that this is all i think of when someone references st. pete, FL, even if its a rapper named Skroodle
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:53 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
if you get a chance you should check out the Ida Con Snock LP from last year, more energy than any Hurley record in, well, uh, decades.
― sleeve, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i just sent the wire a list of rap shit that i liked. they alphabetized it weirdly (ie. Porter, Travis; Marciano, Roc) which can be confusing. i don't actually think that cam'ron and vado is #1.
whiney did you listen to 6 kiss specifically? i saw you lump him in with die antwood on that list where you rant about things you hate which makes me think you didn't.
― the only tastemaker (noz), Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link