"The Wire" on HBO

chaotic neutral is a hard one to pick out for The Wire

I see someone online picked Ziggy, I like that choice

yeah but wasn't string trying to go legit at the end? i.e. it wasn't about the evilness of the enterprise but the money

No but I felt like String was going to keep being String just in a different world: like even when he's going legit, he's going to try to be the corporate bazillionaire and take over the empire. You know? He just had that way about him.

yeah but wasn't string trying to go legit at the end? i.e. it wasn't about the evilness of the enterprise but the money

― dayo, Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:20 AM (12 minutes ago)

money is the root of ~all evil~

What kev said

i don't know what these categories even mean, is this some nerd thing?

D&D

i think wire morality is more complex than that of D&D

Avon definitely follows a code -- much more so than Stringer

second season: Daniels tells Rawls he'll take on the case of 14 dead bodies in a ship container provided "you give me what I need with no arguments and no bulllshit"

*would have loved to say this to one of my old employers

love that chart

ok I feel less bad about not getting it now

http://lc.fdots.com/cc/lc/c8/c845ebf7cff92c726789d411608fdb96.jpg

Avon definitely follows a code -- much more so than Stringer

Yeah, the choice seems counter-intuitive to me but on reflection it really works - Avon has a moral code (however much we disagree with it) whereas Stringer has an amoral respect for the system.

The best example of this to me was Stringer authorising the hit on Omar on a Sunday.

I want to argue that String isn't amoral -- definitely NOT immoral -- because he abides by capitalism and Mr. Morals himself Adam Smith, and that he didn't actively violate the Sunday truce so much as waved off Shamrock (or whichever lackey was bugging him) because he had better things to do... which yeah, speaks to his amoral nature.

what about what avon and brianna did to d'angelo?

It was Stringer's decision to ultimately "take care" of D'Angelo. Wasn't it Stringer's decision to the same for Wallace even if Avon signed off on that one.

SPOILERS btw! ^

i think j is referring to getting D to take those years but i could be wrong

Taking the years is part of the accepted moral code though. Bumping off in prison, less so.

Stringer's respect for capitalism is based on what he believes it can do for him (which is hardly unusual tbf).

I might consider putting Bunny or Lester at chaotic good and McNulty at chaotic neutral.

i think it is to this show's great credit that no one questions clay davis as neutral evil

miss u string ;_;

Taking the years is part of the accepted moral code though. Bumping off in prison, less so.

First, Stringer's adherence to market forces is no less a moral code than the rules that Avon (and Omar) play by. Second, people getting murdered in prison is a taboo? Really?

killing your best friend's nephews taboo in any culture.

without the friend's permission, most def.

yah killing him even tho he was abiding by the code was def breakin the code

jesus christ james ransone is terrible on this show

SB! SB! Dude, Ziggy is the SHIT

i'm almost done w/ the second season & this is getting pretty great, def better than season 1, but anyone that thinks this is better than the sopranos can lick big pussy's nuts

i was being a bit fatalistic about ziggy -- there are some times when he's great, but too many times where i was just like "jesus this is horrible acting" -- funny tho because i paused the episode i was watching to make that first post & then like 10 mins later he killed double g & broke down in his car in what was prob the best acting he's done in the show -- oh well

in general some of the writing & acting in this show is http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif-- too many julliard trained actors saying "true dat"

but anyway, it's a great show

Love Season 2. My favorite story arc of the series, I think. Frank Szobotka is such a great character. And the frikkin Police chief (can't remember his name, Ferengi dude fhttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif Space Nine...Prentiss's father in law,,,awesome. love that guy.

From. Deep Space Nine.

major valchek?

YES. Him. I love him. (Lol at me being too lazy to Google)

on my first run through i was never totally sold on this show until season 4.

i've gone through it twice now though and this is miles beyond the fucking Sopranos. seriously, hate to be the JUST KEEP WATCHING sorta dude, but it all amounts to a lot.

Is it Season 4 with the school system? That's almost equal favorite.

too many julliard trained actors saying "true dat"

Uh....

lol @ j0rd being all "this isnt authentic enough"

ziggy is not supposed to be likeable, I wouldn't call his acting overacting though. you're supposed to hate his guts. I actually admire how much of an asshole he comes off as.

ziggy definitely worst character on the show, between him and mouzone

show doesn't really hit its stride until seasons 3 & 4 though, revisit that sopranos statement after that

4 is the best for sure.

i groaned a lot at ziggy on first watch, but his relationship with frank hit me harder when i watched it again. the jail visit scene - ziggy says frank was never around, frank says he had to work all the time for the money - no one is right or wrong and it's all shit... what this show is great at imo

You cannot lose if you do not play: http://www.lancereddick.com/

Why would anyone hate Ziggy's guts?!

Ransome is totes awesome in Generation Kill btw

lol lance ffs man

james ransone is amazing as ziggy! i don't think i appreciated his performance the first time i watched the season, though; ziggy is so irritating to watch.

I could never hate the son of Frank Sobotka.