Um, I Think It's Time for a Thread on WikiLeaks

or xfactor single traffic

xxxp

OK, it's been long enough that I'm starting to lose the thread a little. So this recent cache of cables - they all came from the same source, right? The Brad Manning moron? Did he leak the "collateral murder" thing, too? But someone else leaked the (unpublished) bank stuff, right? Just wondering, because it seems like all this Wikileaks stuff has originated from just one or two sources, and it is probably safe to assume not too many people are lining up to leak more, especially now that security has been tightened. Short of outright illegal hacking/spying on Wikileaks' part, does this mean the whole organization is bound to wither and die, absent complicit conspirators with access to good stuff, both of which must be in relatively short supply?

I'm not actually sure that manning is definitively responsible for the cables, actually. the video, yes, and I think that's why he's in jail right now. but I can't check, ON IPHONE.

brad manning, more like BAD manning

that moron

"absent complicit conspirators with access to good stuff, both of which must be in relatively short supply"

Not sure why you would assume that either of these things are true.

yeah. even if the military is tightening down (no thumb drives, etc), there's still loads of "interesting" and relatively insecure data out there for WL to publish. like, u know, the gawker database (heyo!)

I think it's logical to assume at this point there is a relatively finite amount of a) readily accessible juicy US government stuff that b) more than a handful of people are willing to go to jail to leak. Even if the US remains lax and less than vigilant, which is possible/likely, who is so righteous they'd happily suffer the US's wrath? Now, sure, there's tons of non-gov't stuff to leak around the globe, and in some ways that's more interesting to me (the bank stuff sounds tantalizing). But the government stuff is what gets the headlines. So far.

While I can definitely see your point, I also see the potential for this case to inspire a lot of people who now see the gov't as a free-speech-suppressing tyrannical empire and create a culture of thirst for transparency.

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0905/4.jpg

xp I think that except in rare circumstances people who see the government as a free-speech-suppressing tyrannical empire aren't the same people who get access to classified material

I think all the diplomatic cables and the Iraq stuff came from Manning. They've been pretty slowly releasing it and they can probably stretch it out for a while longer. Manning isnt the only leaker, just the most famous one.

hoo boy, tariq ali, yvonne ridley, john pilger... real a-list bros to have in your corner

Better them than Jonah Goldberg, Sarah Palin and Bill Kristol.

So, you're Julian Assange, released on bail: are you happy or sad to go free to discover SNL's arch, evil Bond-villain parody?

Better them than Jonah Goldberg, Sarah Palin and Bill Kristol.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:27 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

not sure we *have* to choose between hard-right and hard-"left" (yvonne ridley works for iranian state tv) but ok

not sure why assange's "supporters" are even relevant in any way whatsoever

he's also got Anonymous, 4chan, Ron Paul, etc. i don't really care tbh

can't believe assange killed richard holbrooke

so his livejournal leaked huh

just saw an allright documentary, "wikirebels":
"From summer 2010 until now, Swedish Television has been following the secretive media network WikiLeaks and its enigmatic Editor-in-Chief Julian Assange.

Reporters Jesper Huor and Bosse Lindquist have traveled to key countries where WikiLeaks operates, interviewing top members, such as Assange, new Spokesperson Kristinn Hrafnsson, as well as people like Daniel Domscheit-Berg who now is starting his own version - Openleaks.org!

Where is the secretive organization heading? Stronger than ever, or broken by the US? Who is Assange: champion of freedom, spy or rapist? What are his objectives? What are the consequences for the internet? "
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6032469/WikiRebels_a___The_Documentary_%28Wikileaks%29_by_SvT_play

couple of notable items in there: inside conflict assange vs domscheit-berg and wikileaks strategy to distribute the massive amount of information they have to optimize the journalistic work that can be done with this / protect innocent ppl from harm.

U.S. Air Force blocks Internet access to NYT, Guardian and 23 other sites posting WikiLeaks documents - Reuters
about 2 hours ago via breakingnews.com

So he's back in jail after not being released on bail yesterday? As if it's his fault that Swedish condoms are so small :-(

dude

seriously

oh come on, evil is god's sense of humor

classic stanm

Swedish DJ Basshunter has been charged with sexually assaulting two female fans at a Scottish nightclub.

that'll be those condoms again

Meanwhile, Time Magazine announces their 2010 man of the year: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2036683_2037183,00.html - he got an average rating of 52 from 18353 voters and finished in 10th place in their online poll.

Look who got a rating of 92 from 382024 voters: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2028734_2029036_2029037,00.html

i've never been able to trust people whose eyeballs are the same color as their skin

marky zucks feels like the man of a few years ago but ehh

can't believe time magazine didn't respect the wishes of a bunch of people on the internet

whoa--internet hero got more votes from the internet than internet villan???

He's a hero cos he doesn't want to leak all our secrets, he just wants to use them to make a profit! It's the American way!

im not sure who's being zinged here cos ya boy assange, some people accuse him of being in it for ca$h too

lots of musicians i admire might be just in it for the cash too

anyone read this? http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/14/manning/index.html

Part of me hopes Michael Moore has put as much towards Manning's defence fund as he put up for Assange's bail (and if so, too bad he didn't make as big a deal about it), but considering I haven't put anything towards anything I guess that's not an opinion I get to have

um mm is a rich dude. you don't have to beat yourself up about it. unless you're rich.

Xpost - this re. that link to the inhuman conditions of Manning's imprisonment

That is another of those things that is disturbing but not surprising.

Though the conditions under which Manning is held do remind me of how Mordechai Vanunu was held in solitary for years and years and did not obviously go completely mental as a result. Maybe knowing you have done right is a good defence against psychological torture.

i doubt it, but then i don't share these absolute certainties. plenty of very bad people 'know' they've done right. LIKE TONY BLAIRS AND GEORGE BUSH amirite.

im not sure who's being zinged here cos ya boy assange, some people accuse him of being in it for ca$h too

― ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:20 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Its just funny the man of the year is a different internet personality w privacy issues.

As for Assange being in it for the cash, he's doing it wrong cos every bank in the world is freezing his assets.

2010: A YEAR OF OVERSHARING

Never would have expected that one of the best macro-level analysis of this whole fiasco would come from Fortean Times

http://hilobrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Cablegate1.jpg

http://hilobrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Cablegate2.jpg

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/openleaks/

lock up yer daughters

“We don’t know how much of the power in that promise is in fact a result of Assange and his public advocacy and the very strong stands that he sometimes takes,” Rosen told Threat Level. “It’s possible that OpenLeaks won’t be as attractive to sources. On the other hand, it might be more so. The sources will decide what method is more effective.”

Expert opinion shares that maybe OpenLeaks will be successful but also maybe it won't. I'm glad we went to him for insight.

http://www.businessinsider.com/read-julian-assanges-creepy-romantic-emails-2010-12

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/12/assangeemail9.jpg

http://www.observer.com/files/full/young%20julian%20assange.jpg

http://www.observer.com/2010/daily-transom/julian-assange-persistent-don-juan