the genre known as dubstep - search and destroy

Sorry, but the time when four square beats, some pianos and an exhortation to dance had the power to signify an incredibly deep, poignant, and moving meditation on alienation, sexuality and the feeling of being lost on the dancefloor is long gone for me.

I mean really, this thing practically markets itself to people who still idolise Larry Levan and David Mancuso. It's a symptom of how inward-looking and -thinking a certain strain of American music has become "

if burial is anything like omni trio, i need to hear this stuff now.

can someone do a dubstep POV or X? i've been listening to a lot of breaks music lately and i think i would like dubstep, but i live mostly in the hermetically sealed world of minimal and therefore don't hear much of this stuff. the breaks album i have been enjoying the most lately is calibre's second sun which is one of the best drum and bass albums i've ever heard.

I don't think this is true at all. There are plenty of great music critics writing about what's actually going on now as opposed to obsessively shoring up a tiny little corner of the past. Sasha Frere-Jones. Kelefa Sanneh. Jody Rosen. Frank Kogan. Just to pick really obvious names.

No idea what the schaffel beat vs. the house beat means. (Speaking of obscurantism, who the fuck cares about the schaffel beat?) Also not really sure what Jacob's point is supposed to be (although surely it muse rise above "you're stupid.") Christ there are some lame comebacks in this thread.

My point is basically that revivalism or even a hermetic obsession with a certain sound and scene does not reliably preclude an interesting musical development. House was purely the product of a scene which was in many ways "stuck in the past" and trying to revive a semi-mythical disco golden age, but ended up being very different and creative in its own right.

It's one thing to say that the Burial record is musically uninteresting, but it's an entirely different (and incorrect) thing to say that because it is heavily influenced by a particular, and nostalgic, view of dance music it therefore must be uninteresting...

It's not.

"I don't think this is true at all. There are plenty of great music critics writing about what's actually going on now as opposed to obsessively shoring up a tiny little corner of the past. Sasha Frere-Jones. Kelefa Sanneh. Jody Rosen. Frank Kogan. Just to pick really obvious names."

Since when does Sasha or Frank = "most music crit"?!?! Of course they are great writers. My point is that the wealth of mediocre and derivative writers with their recycled catchphrases ("incendiary live performance" etc.) are much less memorable than "hardcore continuum", and consequently are much easier to ignore.

And yr right, hardly anyone cares about the schaffel beat now - that was precisely my point! if you didn't just assume you needed to contradict and belittle every point made by anyone else in this thread you might understand what people are saying a bit better...

Skream: Midnight Request Line
Pinch: Qawwali (others swear by War Dub but i don't see it...)
Kode9: 9 Samurai (video is great, kode9.blogspot.com)
Technical Itch: Implant
Vex'd: Bombardment Of Saturn (or all of Degenerate)

try garagepressure.com's podcasts.

Tricky, if you haven't heard the Radio 1 - Breezeblock - Dubstep Warz session listen to that too.

cool, cos that's not what i said! my comments were entirely limited to the particulars of burial, despite the apparently widely-shared desire to make them into a general argument

no, never.

Radio Venn
http://www.vennfestival.com/radio/index.htm

copy / paste this link into your audio software such as winamp

http://live1.radiovague.com:8000/venn.ogg

today:
12.10pm Skulldisco Soundsystem
Feel it in your bones as Appleblim opens a portal to the world of Dubstep

until 2.pm

to quote Reynolds exactly:
"* well Burial i guess is unexpected... but in a way that's kinda context-dependent."

I look forward to a Finney post not mean spiritedly tinted through 2step spectacles.

Have I really upset you so much Brian? I can't seem to please anyone on this thread.

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ironic that people who spent the last several years moaning about techstep (dissensus folks) are now lining up to heap accolades on half-speed techstep.

if dubstep is the most exciting music of the moment (which it's not, it just can't be), does that make "ni ten ichi ryu" the greatest record of the 90s?

in the new issue of wax poetics, four tet says "everyone goes on about autechre and aphex, but i think photek ... [was] more ambitious than anything else going on; they were on a whole other level. [ni ten ichi ryu] is off the scale. what i love about it is not only was it trying to be the most innovative thing ever, it also tried to rock a club at the same time"

it seems to cement reynolds' now 10-year-old prediction that "hardcore continuum" was destined to become a nostalgia industry, like dub reggae and garage psych.

the new Sacred Symbols Of Mu compilation has new(?) tracks by vex'd, pinch, boxcutter and someone new to me but possibly my favourite track, distance. (along with 20 other tracks spanning the planet mu label's output. cheap enough that it doesn't matter that you don't like 50% of it!)

EXCLUSIVE: The Roots of Dubstep tracklist
Ammunition + Blackdown present... The Roots of Dubstep [Tempa?@CD]

1. Steve Gurley "Hotboys (dub)" [Allstars]
2. El-B "Express" [Ghost]
3. El-B ft. Juiceman "Buck + Bury [original mix]" [unreleased]
4. Roxy "Breakbeat Science" [Bison]
5. Phuturistix "551 Blues" [Locked On]
6. Horsepower "Gorgon Sound" [Tempa]
7. Horsepower "Classic Deluxe" [Tempa]
8. Benny Ill v DJ Hatcha "Highland Spring" [Tempa]
9. High Planes Drifter (aka Benny Ill) v Goldspot "Sholay" [Tempa]
10. Menta "Snake Charmer" [Road]
11. Artwork "Red" [Big Apple]
12. Benga v Skream "The Judgement" [Big Apple]
13. DJ Abstract "Touch" [Tempa]
14. Digital Mystikz "Pathwayz" [Big Apple]

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_blackdownsoundboy_arc
hive.html#115081203524840322

it's the tune that comes in around 23:39, overlaid w/ a female vocal saying "oh, I get a rush..."

sounds a big like benga to me (what do i know), but judging from the setlist published at the link above, it must be geenneus, terror danjah, spyro, imperial, jammer...? no idea.

for release on 17/07/06:
dubstep allstars vol 4

I'm not amazed by the Burial album so far either, though it's o-kaaay, Nothing smacking me in the face with brilliance like Dizzee's singles or "wtf, is this it?"-ed me like M.I.A.

"hauntology" = sounds like ENIGMA

I guess I like Mezzanine though.

If you just mean the hype is a ridiculism taken to new levels, then yeah I understand.

In truth, both Shadow and Burial are mood muzak, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and I like the most overblown pop moments of the Burial album for largely the same reasons that I like the most overblown pop moments of The Private Press.

the 17th according to amazon, yes. according to boomkat it's out in two days (but that's got to be a mistake, right, nothing's ever released on a thursday). ordered mine yesterday but it says '4 to 6 weeks' for delivery, so maybe not. it's a double cd btw, hatcha and youngsta mix a disk each.

More thoughts to follow.