Oh can we not say cunt on ilx now?
Haha iPhone tried to change "cunt" to "cynthia"
― Tilda Swinton Wreck Up A Dread Dub (admrl), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel sorry ms plaster caster
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Girl was ok I guess. I mean she had to be fairly competent for movie to work, and it did. It was just unremarkable
― Tilda Swinton Wreck Up A Dread Dub (admrl), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:12 (thirteen years ago) link
hey, I quite liked the performance. I also liked the drops of racism, as opposed to 'let's all pretend our 19th-century western characters are enlightened.'
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Aside from some of the dialogue, this has to be the must un-coen bros coen bros movie I have thus far seen.
― Tilda Swinton Wreck Up A Dread Dub (admrl), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know how much of the dialogue is NOT from the book, but the Old West and its literature was absurdist long before they got to it.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Although it’s hard not to notice Mr. Bridges’s turn as the Dude playing the Duke with a dash of Bad Blake, much of the film rests on the diminutive shoulders of Ms. Steinfeld, a 13-year-old who was plucked from 15,000 girls who turned up at casting calls or sent taped auditions.
“It was, as you can probably imagine, the source of a lot of anxiety,” Ethan said. “We were aware if the kid doesn’t work, there’s no movie.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/movies/12grit.html?_r=1&hpw=&pagewanted=all
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:47 (thirteen years ago) link
“We all enjoyed ourselves. Except Joel. I don’t think that’s his specialty."
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 12 December 2010 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey, Ethan stole my quote! Hi if you're reading, Coen Bros
― Tilda Swinton Wreck Up A Dread Dub (admrl), Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link
no country for old men was pretty un-coens
― akm, Sunday, 12 December 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm only marginally interested in seeing this film
this really kind of feels like a wonderful world of disney special
― the chronicles of nornius (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, looks like morbs beat me to it.
^^^ I haven't seen it yet, but apparently "Coen Bros" and "Jeff Bridges" are enough for some of my friends to forget how redundant it all looks.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not a BAD wonderful world of disney special! it actually plays like a pretty good, unflinchy family movie. which i think is kinda cool!
― the chronicles of nornius (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
if i had a kid i would totally show that kid this and "me and orson welles"
Although it's an Old Movie, the original still gets shown often on cable. I prefer Bridges in grizzled mode to John Wayne but c'mon.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm with you on Me and Orson Welles.
oh, you mean redundant cuz of the earlier one. gotcha.
― the chronicles of nornius (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Just got back from a screening of this. Blah. With that lilting piano score and beginning narration, I thought it was Ken Burns' True Grit -- and that score never let up. The performances were pleasant enough and some of the dialogue was amusing, but it just doesn't create much interest or emotional investment (not a Coen specialty, I know). I couldn't even get that annoyed. Just mildly bored. Loved A Serious Man though.
― Hubie Brown, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
looks like morbs beat me to it.
That's not what quite I said; Disney made a few decent movies that weren't about nannies, y'know. This certainly beats the hell out of The Fighter, Black Swan et al.
I'm dubious about the Coens saying they haven't seen the first film since they were kids. Sure their visual style is different, but the camera ANGLES for the "Fill your hand, you son of a bitch" scene looked practically the same. And the stables owner who keeps getting strongarmed by Mattie sounded an awful like Strother Martin, so I looked up the '69 cast and see he was played by Strother Martin.
On Charles Portis:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/magazine/12FOB-WWLN-t.html
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
thats a cool article... i should check out more of his stuff
― xX_420_GoKu_ChRiStWaRrIoR_Xx (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
well that's not really what i said either; i don't think disney-esque is necc. a bad thing.
― the chronicles of nornius (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Escape From True Grit Mountain
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone catch David Edelstein's rant in the comments section of his own New York review?
Wow. John Wayne fans are just as abusive as fanboys now. Wayne was funny in True Grit but he wasn't allied with the mass-murderer Quantrill and he didn't babble incessantly for hours on the ride through Indian country (as Bridges does). He was nowhere near as ugly a drunk. And listen to how Bridges handles the line quoted--he enunciates it carefully, in a Biblical cadence, whereas Wayne employs his own familiar rhythms and it has half the impact. Nonetheless, Wayne met the book's Rooster halfway, won an Oscar, and still owns the part, the way Bela Lugosi owns Dracula despite being a worse actor than many of the Draculas who followed him. Sit down with Portis's book, meanwhile, and see all the cynical episodes left out in Hathaway's movie. And look again at the landscapes, which don't evoke Arkansas or Oklahoma Indian country at all. (The Coens shot in New Mexico, too, but elsewhere, in high desert and cold forests.)
What's interesting is the language above. "Blatant errors." "Did the reviewer actually ever SEE the Wayne version?" Why are you so filled with anger? Hathaway's True Grit is a good enough movie--and more emotionally stirring than the Coens'--but doesn't evoke the ghoulish flavor of the book. What gives you the right to hurl abuse at someone who has a slightly different opinion than yours?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
are nymag writers encouraged to interact with the plebs or something? i wouldnt even read the comments if i were him
― xX_420_GoKu_ChRiStWaRrIoR_Xx (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"Why are you so filled with anger" = typical liberal rhetorical question
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah i just read the comments he's responding to and they're hardly 'abusive'
― xX_420_GoKu_ChRiStWaRrIoR_Xx (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno if that's a 'rant,' seems thoroughly otm
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
ya it's not like he's frothing at the mouth there, for a comments section argument that's pretty chill & articulate
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't disagree with him, but I did wonder why he acts like it's the first time he reads a comments section.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno dude, that shit can get to you, he's only human, etc etc
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/70106/comments.html
― xX_420_GoKu_ChRiStWaRrIoR_Xx (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
haha there are only 4 comments on that article and one "abusive" one?
ok i take it back, chill out edelstein
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe he got foul emails as well.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw this last night and I loved it. I'm such a huge fan of the book, and it was great to see more of it on the screen this time. Bridges and Damon played off each other really well, and that little girl who played Mattie was great. Obviously I wasn't asking a lot of the movie, but honestly, I found this really really enjoyable.
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Wayne version is on TCM tonight.
My fave line from the Coens' film, which I assume is from Portis, might be "Keep your seat, trash!"
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
That was indeed a Portis line.
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
this is awesome
everyone's really good (barry pepper!), but the girl playing mattie kills it, such an awesome character - i could watch a zillion hours of hailee steinfeld being a pain in the ass to crusty old men
third act left me a little wanting but that's mostly the book onscreen so, y'know, what can you do
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMf0MTweXYc (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
those moments when Mattie shows that she really is just a 14 year old girl, and she gets that happy, sweet look on her face like when she wants to tell ghost stories...Steinfeld kills. And the haggling scene was perfect.
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 23 December 2010 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, totally! though i read the ghost story thing as calculating - trying to defuse the situation. the haggling was great. i loved her continually catching the male characters off-guard with her brassiness. the first scene with Brolin is fantastic. Brolin kinda surprised me actually.
btw im pretty sure JK Simmons had a cameo of sorts doing the voiceover of Lawyer Daggett.
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMf0MTweXYc (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 23 December 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I could watch those two kids get kicked off that porch stoop over and over and over.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 December 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
lol yeah the porch scene was funny. And TamTam otm, Brolin was GREAT. Way more charismatic as Chaney than I expected...I expected sort of a dead, dumb mean delivery but he was great, especially in that river meeting.
And Barry Pepper (cast as Lucky Ned Pepper, lol!)...really brought the right shade of grey to Ned, where he's almost likeable with the way he runs things and deals with Mattie but you still know that he's a mean sonofabitch.
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 23 December 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
just saw the original on TCM!
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 December 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I just watched it too... I saw it when I was a kid but I'd forgotten a lot of it. I think Wayne might be a better Cogburn tbh, but the new one does everything else better, probably.
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMf0MTweXYc (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 23 December 2010 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
All I could think while watching that was how annoying Bernstein's score was.
― pixel farmer, Thursday, 23 December 2010 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link
your score is annoying!!
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMf0MTweXYc (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I could not believe that was Barry Pepper.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I really didn't like Mattie in the original. She was just so damn bug-eyed all the time.
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I loved how messed up Peppers face was too...and all the spit flying out of his mouth when the camera was pointing up at his face...so great
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link