I don't even know which Can song is that one. What do you feel about their short more pop oriented songs? Like say; Moonshake, Mushroom, I'm so Green...
― Moka, Friday, 10 December 2010 09:16 (thirteen years ago) link
as this is not clear; i'm not complaining that this list is unrepresentative of ilm due to the lack of T.I., rangda & terror danjah. however when i initially brought up dance/goon/noise shit i was not being facetious & i believe there is more diversity&variety on ilm than would be likely to appear on any 88 ballot poll.
it wld be odd if ppl w/ different interests in music of the present had similar interests in music from the past. most music discussed on the noise board isn't noise, but there is def a noise board ethos/flavour & v little of it was nominated for this list. i am sceptical of the idea that talkings heads & kate bush form part of the glue which unites the various ilx subgroups.
a poll this size will likely be fun & not v revealing about the broad workings of the landscape of ilx taste.
contenderizer's almost saying - "the results of a poll are representative if everyone had the opportunity to take part" - ...
moka you should get to know "turtles have short legs"
― ogmor, Saturday, 11 December 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Most of the 90's bands listed above that I recognize are cool.. However, except for Sonic Youth (who placed) and maybe Guided By Voices (although that's pushing it), I don't think any of them have written or recorded any of the 100 or 200 best songs of the 20th century, whereas (IMO) Nirvana and Radiohead most certainly have.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 11 December 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Regarding electronic dance music, that genre has sort of made a point out of not wanting to have a "canon", so there is probably more of a voice split than in the case of rock and pop music and even hip-hop/R&B.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 11 December 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
There are definitely a few canonical choices in '90s electronic/dance, though. I mean, if 18 year-old rock dude version of me bought the Utah Saints album in 1992, it must've had a sizeable impact outside of the club scene.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 11 December 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to "turtles have short legs" right now. It's incredible! Very different from everything else they have in their catalogue (at least when Damo was in the band) I forgive JF for being a Can detractor for indirectly introducing me to it.
I think the closest it comes to is 'I'm So Green' which is my favorite Can song and iirc also Julian Cope's.
― Moka, Saturday, 11 December 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
who the fuck are utah saints
― reginald velkohnson (crüt), Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Big dance act in the early 90s, had three top 10 singles and a top 10 album in the UK, and they were quite popular elsewhere in Europe too.
Utah Saints - Classic Or Dud?
Based on the above thread many Americans seem to have heard them back then too, don't know why or how. Anyway, you might've been too young to register them back then. They pretty much disappeared after the first album, releasing only one single in 1995 (which is dope, btw). They put out a comeback album in 2000, but I don't think too many people cared about that, even though it features Chuck D and Michael Stipe.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 12 December 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
The New Yorker list: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2010/12/ben-greenman-songs.html
1925: “Collegiate,” by Fred Waring’s Pennsylvanians1926: “Fat Meat and Greens,” by Jelly Roll Morton1927: “Struttin’ With Some Barbecue,” by Louis Armstrong1928: “Statesboro Blues,” by Blind Willie McTell1929: “That’s How I Feel Today,” by The Little Chocolate Dandies1930: “It Happened in Monterey,” by Ruth Etting1931: “Farewell Blues,” by Cab Calloway1932: “Night And Day,” by Fred Astaire1933: “Tea for Two,” by Art Tatum1934: “Moonglow,” by Benny Goodman1935: “I’m Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter,” by Fats Waller1936: “Summertime,” by Billie Holiday1937: “Sweet Home Chicago,” by Robert Johnson1938: “Begin The Beguine,” by Artie Shaw1939: “Moonlight Serenade,” by Glenn Miller Orchestra1940: “New San Antonio Rose,” by Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys1941: “Jumpin’ Punkins,” by Duke Ellington1942: “Sleepy Lagoon,” by Harry James1943: “Paper Doll,” by The Mills Brothers1944: “Swinging on a Star (Single),” by Bing Crosby1945: “Scorpio,” by Mary Lou Williams1946: “Choo Choo Ch’boogie,” by Louis Jordan & His Tympany Five1947: “Serenade of the Bells,” by Jo Stafford1948: “Nature Boy,” by Nat King Cole1949: “Just Friends,” by Charlie Parker1950: “The Fat Man,” by Fats Domino1951: “Rocket 88,” by Jackie Brenston1952: “Lawdy Miss Clawdy,” by Lloyd Price1953: “Your Cheatin’ Heart,” by Hank Williams1954: “Work With Me Annie,” by Hank Ballard & The Midnighters1955: “Folsom Prison Blues,” by Johnny Cash1956: “Strode Rode,” by Sonny Rollins1957: “Mona (I Need You Baby),” by Bo Diddley1958: “Rock Billy Boogie,” by Johnny Burnette1959: “Along Came Jones,” by The Coasters1960: “Walk Don’t Run,” by The Ventures1961: “Shout Bamalama,” by Otis Redding1962: “Return To Sender,” by Elvis Presley1963: “Be My Baby,” by The Ronettes1964: “Nadine (Is It You?),” by Chuck Berry1965: “I Can’t Explain,” by The Who1966: “Day Tripper,” by The Beatles1967: “I Heard It Through the Grapevine,” by Gladys Knight & The Pips1968: “White Light / White Heat,” by The Velvet Underground1969: “Israelites,” by Desmond Dekker1970: “Spirit in the Sky,” by Norman Greenbaum1971: “Family Affair,” by Sly & The Family Stone1972: “Superfly,” by Curtis Mayfield1973: “The Payback,” by James Brown1974: “You Haven’t Done Nothin’,” by Stevie Wonder1975: “The Ballroom Blitz,” by The Sweet1976: “Give Up the Funk (Tear the Roof Off the Sucker),” by Parliament1977: “Got to Give It Up—Pt. 1,” by Marvin Gaye1978: “Miss You,” by Rolling Stones1979: “Rock Lobster,” by The B-52’s1980: “Cars,” by Gary Numan1981: “Rapture,” by Blondie1982: “Buffalo Gals,” by Malcolm McLaren1983: “Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’,” by Michael Jackson1984: “Head Over Heels,” by The Go-Go’s1985: “Perfect Way,” by Scritti Politti1986: “Walk This Way,” by Run-DMC1987: “Housequake,” by Prince1988: “Express Yourself ,” by N.W.A.1989: “Me Myself and I,” by De La Soul1990: “Love Will Never Do Without You,” by Janet Jackson1991: “Mama Said Knock You Out,” by LL Cool J1992: “Rump Shaker,” by Wreckx-N-Effect1993: “Return of the Crazy One,” by Digital Underground1994: “Whatta Man,” by Salt-N-Pepa1995: “California Love,” by 2Pac1996: “Where It’s At,” by Beck1997: “Hypnotize,” by The Notorious B.I.G.1998: “Intergalactic,” by Beastie Boys1999: “Vivrant Thing,” by Q-Tip2000: “Music,” by Madonna2001: “Get Ur Freak On,” by Missy Elliot2002: “Without Me,” by Eminem2003: “Crazy in Love,” by Beyonce, featuring Jay-Z2004: “Yeah,” by Usher, featuring Lil Jon and Ludacris2005: “Daft Punk Is Playing At My House,” by LCD Soundsystem2006: “SexyBack,” by Justin Timberlake2007: “Umbrella,” by Rihanna2008: “Paper Planes,” by M.I.A.2009: “Heads Will Roll,” by Yeah Yeah Yeahs2010: “Monster,” by Kanye West, featuring Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj and Bon Iver
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i am sceptical of the idea that talkings heads & kate bush form part of the glue which unites the various ilx subgroups.
― ogmor, Friday, December 10, 2010 6:09 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark
yeah, but i was being somewhat facetious there. thing is, this isn't an ILX poll; it's an ILM poll. those might seem similar, but i agree that they're not exactly the same. and while it was open to all, from the discussion on the related threads, it seems to have drawn the most participation from ILM regulars, no surprise. of course, it's likely that greater participation from posters who spend most/all of their time on ILE, noise, 1p3, 77 or whatever would have altered the results in some way, but it's impossible to say how things would or wouldn't have changed. like a heavy noise turnout might have given us a better showing for the boredoms and steely dan, right? but i doubt that things would have been radically upended. a lot of the most prominent contributors to the threads related to this poll regularly post on many other boards, and the sample size here is quite large relative to the day-to-day ILX population. a sample of 80 respondents when the population size is so low to begin with is plenty large enough to guarantee a low margin for error (were we to pretend this survey was in any way scientific). and from what i've seen in my years here, talking heads and kate bush really are the ties that bind - two of them, anyway...
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Utah Saints more than most others to me seem like very much a thing of the moment back in 1992-93, and then not much more. I think that is also part of the thing here, in that those few electronica acts that have gotten some kind of "canon" recognition (Prodigy, Leftfield, Chemicals etc.) usually have because they have maybe appealed more to typical "rock" fans than most electronica acts did.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Utah Saints are very much trapped in 92/93, I agree, but that doesn't lessen the imprint of "Something Good" and other first-album tracks on the dance/electronic canon, though. I'd imagine the reason they're not still frequently mentioned alongside Prodigy, etc is that their output since that time has a) been nearly non-existent and b) not at the forefront of anything.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link
in defense of 90s rock: melvins, cheater slicks, royal trux, karp, sun city girls, new bomb turks, jesus lizard, unrest, brainiac, polvo, sleep, kyuss, sonic youth, swans, boredoms, teenage fanclub, electric wizard, unwound, teengenerate, spiritualized, country teasers, urge overkill, monoshock, the fall, th faith healers, GBV, headcoats/childish, gories, mr. bungle, buffalo daughter, cathedral, circle, cynics, tav falco, the magic hour, steel pole bath tub, bassholes, jon spencer BX, the ex, the kent 3, laughing hyenas, monster magnet, godflesh, oblivians, angel'in heavy syrup, rocket from the crypt, terminal cheesecake, brainbombs, fushitsusha, entombed, the mummies, ST-37, yura yura teikoku, dog faced hermans, ETC
If there's one thing any ILM poll needs its more indie rock.
Are you guys really arguing about the absence of Utah Saints in a best of the 20th century poll? What next, Carter USM?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:52 (thirteen years ago) link
What next, Carter USM?
lol
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
re: Utah Saints, "What Can You Do For Me?" > "Something Good"
Also I can't believe "Motorbike" by Sheep On Drugs didn't make it! Were you all living under rocks in the 90s?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Would've been weird if both "Something Good" and "Cloudbusting" had placed.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
The lack of "This is House" by Elevator 101 has seriously shaken my faith in ILM's ability to venerate music
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Are you guys really arguing about the absence of Utah Saints in a best of the 20th century poll?
No one was arguing for that. Johnny mentioned the Utah Saints album as an example of dance music even American rock fans knew of, Curtis asked who the Utah Saints are, and I answered the question. There are certainly many dance tunes much more iconic than Utah Saints absent from the list.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The KLF could've at least shown up. Not a glimpse from the Prodigy either?
― What are you doing here? (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
What happened to all of the 80 AUM heads?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Were ABBA in this thread?
― What are you doing here? (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"Whatta man" might be the most annoying song of 1994.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
that new yorker list is sweet, especially the accompanying youtube playlist http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D9814090B61CF731 I'm at 1942 right now. It's a great resource for the pre-1950 poll
― once more Jagger faps the hivemind (symsymsym), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
sb xp
― once more Jagger faps the hivemind (symsymsym), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
ILX probably showed me this one back in the day: Here's Stephin Merritt's one-recording*-a-year list for the 20th C (taking some licence with years, classical works being dated by first performance etc).
*) Not "track".
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 23 December 2010 10:46 (thirteen years ago) link
My main problem with Utah Saints is the sample sources were way too obvious. And I know a lot of other people thought alike.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 23 December 2010 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link
boggled that Over the Rainbow isn't on here
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
Way overrated.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 10:07 (twelve years ago) link
It's a shame how myopic this list ended up being. 1950's poll that sprang from it was fucking great, tho!
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 June 2014 22:07 (nine years ago) link