i hope it's clear that my position is that, while not necessarily true of julian assange, people making claims similar to wikileaks's against large companies or governments have been discredited on a basis of sexual relationships.that being said, i hope i did not come across as suggesting that assange's accusers should not be given full credibility as the case progresses and in a court of law.
― jeevves, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
that seems suspiciously reasonable.......... whose sock r u bro?
― unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/bradley_manning_wikileaks_no_help/
― Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
okay that's actually pretty funny
― unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
seems like a heckuva lot of trouble to go to 'just' to make money tho
― unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
also i definitely did not suggest that somehow even if assange committed the crimes via entrapment that he wouldn't be one hundred percent accountable if the accusations were in any way true.
― jeevves, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
To change the subject back to WikiLeaks itself for a moment: a good summary.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue28/search-engines/jeeves.jpg
― am0n, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
god i hate this screen name, why why did i choose it.
― jeevves, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i've had three 'this is why people don't ask jeeves' jokes since i started posting here
:-)
― am0n, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Hahaha I shouldn't but... this is such classic Greenwald:
Rubin's segment goes on for about 10 minutes, and while listening to it will give important context for what follows, it's not completely necessary.I was finally brought in at the 32:15 mark and that's when things became quite contentious and illuminating.
I was finally brought in at the 32:15 mark and that's when things became quite contentious and illuminating.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Swedish prosecutors have cancelled an arrest warrant issued for Julian Assange, the founder of controversial whistleblower website Wikileaks.The warrant was issued following a sexual assault complaint against him.But on Saturday, as international media outlets were beginning to pick up the story, Eva Finne, Sweden's chief prosecutor, announced that Assange was no longer wanted."I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape," the chief prosecutor said, but declined to go into any more details.http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/08/2010821153010551757.html
The warrant was issued following a sexual assault complaint against him.
But on Saturday, as international media outlets were beginning to pick up the story, Eva Finne, Sweden's chief prosecutor, announced that Assange was no longer wanted.
"I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape," the chief prosecutor said, but declined to go into any more details.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/08/2010821153010551757.html
That's from August. Does anyone know what has changed since August in this case?
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
well you guys have had a busy morning
― kanellos (gbx), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/sep/01/sweden-julian-assange-rape-investigation
adam, it looks like the investigation was reopened in september
― ______ ___ ___________! (history mayne), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
by a more senior agent I MEAN PROSECUTOR, PROSECUTOR
― ______ ___ ___________! (history mayne), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Ny added that "it's not entirely uncommon" that such reversals take place in Sweden, in particular regarding allegations of sex crimes. She also decided that another complaint against Assange should be investigated on suspicion of "sexual coercion and sexual molestation". That overruled a previous decision to only investigate the case as "molestation," which is not a sex crime under Swedish law.
Ok.
I don't really care about this, I just wanna see those UFO leaks.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Obviously you can't tell a bunch of loudmouthed Blitzers what is really going on; they are too vain and too naturally locquacious to keep a goddamn secret; they will blab that shit all over town. (You can by the way ignore any protestations to the opposite; for example, about the propriety of the wikileaks leaks. That's just professional jealousy and backbiting. Geraldo revealed troop positions on Fox News. If some disgruntled state dept. employee leaked that shit to Margaret Carlson, she'd be on your teevee five minutes later to reveal the "dramatic revelations.")http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2010/12/apologia-pro-mainstream-media.html
http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2010/12/apologia-pro-mainstream-media.html
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
ah yes interesting argument there...
― goole, Thursday, 9 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Meanwhile, another piece of dangerous information that these shameless criminal terrorist anarchists have released:US and China collaborated to undermine the Copenhagen climate summit. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,733630,00.html
― StanM, Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
better article @ Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulated-climate-accord
― StanM, Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
headline is fairly misleading - basically US tried to get China to agree to SOMETHING rather than nothing, in light of the fact that no one (including the US) had any leverage to use against China to get them to comply with the European goals.
― "Information by surprise" is even legal in Sweden (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
and to get that non-binding resolution the US didn't include Europe.
I think the non-binding resolution sucks, but the idea that China was ever going to sign onto anything stringent that would hinder their economic development is bonkers.
The latest WikiLeaks cables reveal former prime minister Kevin Rudd told US politicians the outlook in Afghanistan "scared the hell out of him".
Fairfax newspapers quoted part of one cable which describes how Mr Rudd told visiting members of the US Congress that the national security establishment in Australia was deeply pessimistic about the long-term prognosis for Afghanistan.
The cable says Mr Rudd believed the European nations involved in the Afghan war had no common strategy for winning the war.
He is quoted as saying the US, Canada, UK, Australia and the Dutch were doing the "hard stuff", while France and Germany were "organising folk-dancing festivals".
^ posting for the last three words
― leo tldrstoy (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
(off abc website)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0xLyoc9DxU
Dig the airplane Whitehouse flyby w Assange releasing leaks Joker-style.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL has anyone seen this? This is fucking hilarious! read the chatlog. They all sound like paranoid 4channers. Jesus.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/
― manic pixie dream girl phenomenon (Trayce), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
What happened in 2007??
― Mordy, Friday, 10 December 2010 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I did wonder what that's referring to yeah.
Also that Wired article is from 3 months ago which I didnt realise at first. Interesting.
― manic pixie dream girl phenomenon (Trayce), Friday, 10 December 2010 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
so, predictably, and sadly (disgustingly, etc), the Anonymous ppl have found and made public the names/faces/contact info of the women accusing assange. i won't link to it for obv reasons, and i certainly didn't go looking for it: it's on the front page of a popular news aggregator.
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Their names have been in the ether for weeks and weeks; the Times of India also published them this week.
― sean gramophone, Friday, 10 December 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
smh at the last line of this letter to the Guardian…
We protest at the attacks on WikiLeaks and, in particular, on Julian Assange (Report, 9 December) The leaks have assisted democracy in revealing the real views of our governments over a range of issues which have been kept secret and are now irreversibly in the public domain. All we knew about the mass killing, torture and corruption in Iraq and Afghanistan has been confirmed. The world's leaders can no longer hide the truth by simply lying to the public. The lies have been exposed. The actions of major corporations such as Amazon, the Swiss banks and the credit card companies in hindering WikiLeaks are shameful, bowing to US government pressure. The US government and its allies, and their friends in the media, have built up a campaign against Assange which now sees him in prison facing extradition on dubious charges, with the presumed eventual aim of ensuring his extradition to the US. We demand his immediate release, the dropping of all charges, and an end to the censorship of WikiLeaks.
John Pilger, Lindsey German Stop the War Coalition, Salma Yaqoob, Craig Murray, Alexei Sayle, Mark Thomas, Caryl Churchill, AL Kennedy, Celia Mitchell, Ben Griffin (former soldier), Terry Jones, Sami Ramadani, Roger Lloyd Pack, David Gentleman, Miriam Margolyes, Andy de la Tour, Katharine Hamnett, Iain Banks
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
what's a little sex by surprise among free speech advocates
― fuckin magnates, why don't they work (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d00e452ccd1d5f878050000/hackers-movie-assange-editorial-sidebar.jpg
― am0n, Friday, 10 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
so glad this evil calumny has finally been exposed
― fuckin magnates, why don't they work (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
so. i just got a robocall from the quebec civil court informing me that my ISP gave them my info re: having read wikileaks and i am being added to a pending case that could result in SIGNIFICANT fines.
25% is this for real? 25% oh, sigh, how predictable, 50% want to go watch 'Brazil'
― The SBurbs (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://twitter.com/alexostroff/status/13328797394800640
Just got a robo-call from the Quebec Court informing me that I was added to a civil case for reading classified #wikileaks docs. 2000$ fine. 44 minutes ago via web
― ╭∩╮⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠╭∩╮ (jeff), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xp - ouch
― ╭∩╮⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠╭∩╮ (jeff), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit
― goole, Friday, 10 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Matthew Bennell: [dials his phone] I'll get the police.Telephone Operator: [voice] Police.Matthew Bennell: Officer, I'd like to report four bodies in my backyard.Telephone Operator: Wait right there Mr. Bennell.Matthew Bennell: How do you know my name?Jack Bellicec: [Jack's eyes widen with fear] Hang up, Matthew.Matthew Bennell: [into the phone] I didn't tell you my name.Jack Bellicec: Hang up!Matthew Bennell: [hangs up the phone] I didn't tell them my name!Nancy Bellicec: That's because they're all part of it. They're all pods, all of them!
― youtubular bells (Edward III), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, how is this possible? The only people who are endangered by reading the documents are US federal employees afaik.
― seandalai, Friday, 10 December 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
wait wtf alex???
― k3vin k., Friday, 10 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
canada got no 1st amendment
how is the case civil and not criminal?
i have like a billion questions about this. so fucked.
― goole, Friday, 10 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
contact the phone company, trace the call, get us some answers dammit
― youtubular bells (Edward III), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah doesn't make any sense to me (who is bringing the suit? how can it be a crime to read something? etc.) but I know fuck all about Canadian law
― fuckin magnates, why don't they work (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
sounds like bs
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i mean, i have half a mind to think it's a scam of some kind. but i've no idea how canadian law works.
are you usually notified that you're a party to a suit by robocall?
― goole, Friday, 10 December 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
holy fucking shit
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 10 December 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
it could well be a scam but well, what's the hypothetical point of said scam
― fuckin magnates, why don't they work (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
get your data? fuck i dunno
― goole, Friday, 10 December 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link