More variety of opinion on it here: http://www.salsaforums.com/showthread.php?t=15373
I trust anonymous forum posters more than these critics. Or I guess I simply don't trust critics who hold SHO's recordings in high esteem.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
skot: i would listen to all these xlr8r best of the year tracks
i believe noted ilx poster table is the table does something there
― flopson, Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
another no-placer on any of lists is nina nastasia's record, which i have a very hard time believing isn't better than most of what's on most of them. but of course i usually feel that way about her albums. i guess tomorrow's hipster cult artists have to come from somewhere.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 December 2010 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
In retrospect, after seeing more and more of these lists, the more I'm liking Drowned In Sound's. I mean, at least this:
1) Emeralds Does It Look Like I’m Here?2) The National High Violet3) Deftones Diamond Eyes4) Perfume Genius Learning
is a pretty interesting top 4, comparatively, even with the way too high National placement.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Gigwise
50. Ellie Goulding - Lights49. Delphic - Acolyte48. Cee Lo Green - The Lady Killer47. Eminem - Recovery46. Hurts - Happiness45. Tame Impala - Innerspeaker44. Two Door Cinema Club - Tourist History43. Band of Horses - Infinite Arms42. Plan B - The Defamation Of Strictland Banks41. The Coral - Butterfly House40. Steve Mason - Boys Outside39. The Chemical Brothers - Further38. Bryan Ferry - Olympia37. Kele - The Boxer36. Manic Street Preachers - Postcards From A Young Man35. Katy Perry - Teenage Dream34. Mystery Jets - Serotonin33. No Age - Everything In Between32. Sleigh Bells - Treats31. Flying Lotus – Cosmogramma30. Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroid29. Surfer Blood - Astro Coast28. Magnetic Man - Magnetic Man27. Kelis - Flesh Tone26. Robyn - Body Talk Pt 225. The Drums - The Drums24. Vampire Weekend – Contra23. Beach House - Teen Dream22. Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross - The Social Network21. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son Of Chico Dusty20. Four Tet - There Is Love In You19. Gil Scot-Heron - I'm New Here18. Salem - King Night17. Interpol – Interpol16. Black Keys – Brothers15. Tinie Tempah - Disc-Overy14. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can13. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening12. Yeasayer - Odd Blood11. Gorillaz - Plastic Beach10. My Chemical Romance - Danger Days09. Warpaint - The Fool08. These New Puritans – Hidden07. Caribou - Swim06. Foals - Total Life Forever05. Everything Everything - Man Alive04. Drake - Thank Me Later03. The National - High Violet02. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy01. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 9 December 2010 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Gorilla vs Bear (Songs):
01 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Round and Round02 Joanna Newsom – Good Intentions Paving Company03 Beach House – 10 Mile Stereo04 James Blake – CMYK05 Girls – Carolina06 Twin Sister – All Around and Away We Go07 Panda Bear – Alsatian Darn08 James Blake – I Only Know (What I Know Now)09 Big K.R.I.T. – Country Shit10 Big Boi – Shutterbugg11 Deerhunter – He Would Have Laughed12 Morning Benders – Excuses (Yours Truly version)13 Arcade Fire – We Used to Wait14 Tennis – Marathon15 Joanna Newsom – Baby Birch16 Shabazz Palaces – Blastit17 earlwolf – Orange Juice / Gucci Mane – Lemonade18 Waka Flocka Flame – Hard In Da Paint19 Twin Shadow – Castles in the Snow20 Das Racist – hahahaha jk?21 Korallreven – Honey Mine (feat. Victoria Bergsman)22 Holy Other – YR LOVE23 White Denim – Some Wild Going Outward24 Crystal Castles – Not in Love (feat. Robert Smith)25 Kanye West – Blame Game (edit)26 White Hinterland – Icarus27 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Fright Night (Nevermore)28 Air Waves – Knockout29 Puro Instinct – Stilyagi (featuring Ariel Pink)30 Freddie Gibbs – National Anthem (Fuck the World)31 Grouper – Vessel32 Teen Inc. – Friend of the Night33 Harlem – Gay Human Bones34 Ghostface Killah – Together Baby35 Games – Strawberry Skies36 The Bitters – Travelin’ Girl37 Lower Dens – Hospice Gates38 jj – My Way39 Kanye West – Runaway (feat. Pusha T)40 Les Sins – Lina41 Sunset – Late Night Dawning42 Warpaint – Undertow43 Tyler, the Creator – VCR/Wheels44 Gil Scott-Heron – Me and the Devil45 Washed Out – You and I46 Erykah Badu – Window Seat47 Toro y Moi – Low Shoulder48 Miracles Club – A New Love49 Eternal Summers – Pure Affection50 Games – Planet Party51 Panda Bear – Untitled / King Tubby sample (live)52 Reading Rainbow – Wasting Time53 Happy Birthday – Subliminal Message54 Sufjan Stevens – Age of Adz55 Young Galaxy – Peripheral Visionaries56 Grimes – Devon57 Coyote Clean Up – Can’t Shake the Full Moon58 Candy Claws – Silent Time of Earth59 Rangers – Deerfield Village60 Wavves – King of the Beach61 How To Dress Well – Ready for the World62 Four Tet – Angel Echoes63 Caribou – Odessa64 Ciara – Ride (CFCF night bus refix)65 Appaloosa – Intimate (Glass Candy remix)66 Beautiful Swimmers – Big Coast67 Bodies of Water – Rise Up, Careful68 Pantha du Prince – Stick to my Side (feat. Panda Bear)69 Robyn – Dancing On My Own70 Hard Mix – Memories71 Animal Collective – Screens72 Nite Jewel – We Want Our Things73 Tame Impala – It Is Not Meant to Be74 Soft Healer – Movie Light75 Fabulous Diamonds – Track 476 The Knife – The Height of Summer77 The Sandwitches – Stardust78 Jamie Woon – Night Air (Ramadanman refix)79 Wet Wings – Running Like a Man80 Bullion – Say Goodbye to What
― Mitchell Stirling, Thursday, 9 December 2010 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha ha. Blame Game (edit). Does this edit exist or is it just wishful thinking?
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 9 December 2010 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Nastasia is on my list, but I did notice her conspicuous absence here.
I like the Quietus and Rock-A-Rolla lists best so far. I'd love to find the current issue -- anyone know if it could be found in Chicago? I'd subscribe, but man, those UK rags azzrpe you by doubling the price + poor exchange rate - $70 for 6 issues, gah.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 9 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Amazed the Arcade Fire record is doing so well here given that most of the reviews I'd seen were along the lines of "some great songs, too long, patchy and a bit overwrought".
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Fastnbulbous - I occassionally see Rock-A-Rolla at my local newsstand, but thats about it. Don't really come across it very often.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about obvious lists are even more boring than longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about obvious lists
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow you sure showed everyone!
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
taking it to the next level, that's what i do
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
the next level of boring, sure
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
My mind hasn't been this blown since I watched Inception.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Gigwise04. Drake - Thank Me Later03. The National - High Violet02. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy01. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
04. Drake - Thank Me Later03. The National - High Violet02. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy01. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
worst top four yet
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, do some of these publications even vote on their own year-end lists, or just look at what other mags/sites are ranking highly and then make sure those albums are on their list, too?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know, but the confusion and anger you guys feel about Kanye ranking so high is multiplied a thousand-fold for me when I see Drake that high.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I think generally music writers listen to whatever other music writers are talking about and then just agree on everything because they are mostly boring, fat, sad, post-collegiate white men who think Arcade Fire is an interesting band
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
don't be so hard on yourself!
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
:)
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
need more boring fat sad post-collegiate other kinds of people in this thing
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VEemS83yL.jpg
― Tim F, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
The Name of This Band Is Indigo Girls
― Andy K, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saWZRuh2_Qg
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha.
As I moan every year, editors of "generalist" sites and pubs should seek out writers into non- indie rock stuff, or at least open to non-indie. But maybe there also aren't that many writers into dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, whatever? Alas, when African/Caribbean/Latin magazine the Beat folded up shop at the beginning of the year, its freelance contributors seem to have given up on writing rather than trying to find new locations.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
But maybe there also aren't that many writers into dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, whatever?
I mean, yeah, this is def true! There's def some sociological connection between "wanting to be a music writer" and "thinking indie rock is good music"
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the last refuge of an english major
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Thursday, December 9, 2010 9:20 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how much freedom are these genre experts really given to affect the outcome of consensus lists, really. it requires that other writers give a shit about the genre on its own terms. you have to have an even number of rap writers. rap writers, or dance writers, not just a couple 'experts' scattered amongst a bunch of arcade fire fans (& even then yr dealing w/ rap writers who often accept corny received wisdom about what is 'worthwhile' etc.)
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
id rather write w/ an indie fan whose taste was well-articulated & unique/interesting even if strictly indie (lol does this exist) than a dude listing every j dilla clone who dropped an lp this year
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
requires that other writers give a shit about the genre on its own terms
And that those other writers also totally agree on which dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, etc., records were the best ones of the year! Which is real hard to do, given the numbers.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
But like I said in my Pazz & Jop essay last year, the trend lately definitely seems to be moving toward indie-rock dominating end-of-year lists as a whole in ways that no one genre has dominated in decades, if ever. (Assuming you think of indie-rock as just "one genre" -- lots of people don't.) Though looks like hip-hop might be doing better, in general, this year than last year -- even if the albums doing well are mostly predictable, and not necessarily all that good.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
otm music taste is way lamer, but still as diverse as, the early 00s
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i think its basically a function of ppl getting to ignore the pop charts now so the echo chamber is harder than ever to puncture
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
people are comfy in their internet bubbles.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
My bubble is starting to smell funny.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
time to clean yer indie pod
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't even know that my chemical romance had an album out this year until i looked at one of those year-end lists. i'm in my stoner rock bubble too much i guess.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Mine reeks of NWOBHM spandex. Those red and white stripped ones are ripe!
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 9:33 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
altho i guess the q is whether there is an 'indie as a distinct genre' heirarchy that exists outside of 'critical acclaim'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
so Kanye is considered to be indie rock now, huh?
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well he is recording with Bon Iver
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
very tru.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
his music is also boring, wanky & pretentious lol
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
...but in a good way.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
In the world of US politics Deej wants us to accept that the glass is half-full and that Obama acting centrist is all we can get, but in the music crit world he wants his Waka (or is it some other rapper not listed above) and not that centrist choice Kanye
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
looooooool
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
im not on pfork expecting waka to go #1, no
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link