jesus READ THE BOOK
― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
totally agree about Lola
― shanti ram emmanuel (corey), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/FQdlY0-0fhM/
snowball fight starts at about 2:30 and shit starts to get crazy at around 7:00
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Napoléon is one of my all-time favorites. I wish I could see the complete 6-hour film projected with the three screen finale but that'll probably never happen.
― shanti ram emmanuel (corey), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I was thinking of starting a similar poll, but limited to American films from approximately At Long Last Love to One from the Heart--seems like every big American director of that period had an oversized disaster (sometimes more than one). I want to check first, though (not sure what search term to use): has this been done already?
Don't think so, but that would be a good one too. I like a lot of those movies.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
LOVE One From The Heart, and would actually like to revisit At Long Last Love. It's been (probably justifiably) OOP for years. Clemenza, please do poll.
I have only seen 3 of the films in the OP, and haven't read the book, so won't vote, but Fitzcarraldo has some imagery that has stuck with me since 1982. I've never seen the making-of doc Burden Of Dreams; need to.
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Great, I'll set it up tonight--it's always been a group of films that fascinated me. No reading list, suggestions and omissions encouraged. (Sorry, Eric H., couldn't resist.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Please include Song of Norway if you intended for us to vote for the worst.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Hahah. THAT film.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Good Lord yes, was dragged to that as a school field trip. Others off the top of my head: Waterworld (if you're going that late), Even Cowgirls Get The Blues, 1941.
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Just realized there's only 2 years separating Waterworld and Cowgirls. Sorry to derail this thread, will wait for other one.
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
(Sorry, Eric H., couldn't resist.)
No worries. I guess I torpedoed this one without even realizing it.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
My own window of interest is the '70s. Waterworld and Cowgirls[i] certainly belong on a folly poll somewhere, but I know more about the '75-'82 debacles--all the [i]Easy Rider/Raging Bull directors meeting their Waterloos. Maybe someone who knows more about the late-'80s could set up a second poll?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Try again (italics are my own Waterloo):
My own window of interest is the '70s. Waterworld and Cowgirls certainly belong on a folly poll somewhere, but I know more about the '75-'82 debacles--all the Easy Rider/Raging Bull directors meeting their Waterloos. Maybe someone who knows more about the late-'80s could set up a second poll?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i think lola montes is one of my all-time "wished i liked it better" movies
Seconded.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Good Lord yes, was dragged to that as a school field trip.
You saw Song of Norway in a theater?!? I'm 1% jealous, 99% ready to help you with grief counseling.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:15 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
technically, you thirded me, but who's counting
― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Lola Montes was one of those movies where I should love it but I ended up being indifferent.
― THX THO... (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I like Lola Montes just fine.
Wow @ "The Conqueror"...I never heard that story. Crazy...
Inspired the Mekons song "The Flame That Killed John Wayne."
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I had heard the Conqueror stories, had never seen any clips. That looks wretched.
But not as wretched as Song Of Norway!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKHKQ1p4HZk&feature=related
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I do think Cleopatra is sort of the odd one out among these choices in that it really does seem to be a pretty irredeemable misfire, as opposed to glorious. (Never managed to get through it, myself.)
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that's probably because it's an huge epic made by a guy who was essentially a screenwriter.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^
― buzza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
That would explain a couple things.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Watch it as Liz and Richard's first vacation films and it's a treat. (Legendary line from Mankiewicz during one of their love scenes: "Cut...CUT!...I feel like I'm intruding!")
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Also it's just weird to be watching and see all these familiar people in different contexts. "Oh hey, Carroll O'Connor."
I made it through it (pan-and-scan) on TV in the '70s. The 4:30 Movie on WABC would show it in a 90-minute slot, all week, in 4 or 5 parts.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Uncut it's something like four hours -- allegedly the original cut was *six* hours. There's a couple of ridiculously rough edits where you can tell they chopped out something after Mankiewicz lost control of the cut.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Filmed in Super Panavision 70 by Davis Boulton and presented in single-camera Cinerama in some countries, it was a clear attempt to capitalise on the success of The Sound of Music but suffered from a weak script, poor editing (by the director's wife), unappealing animation and an ill-advised stunt sequence (directed by Yakima Canutt) which appeared to portray Grieg as an action hero.
yakima canutt? im fucking sold!
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 30 January 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 31 January 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Still think you cocked this one up, Clemenza.
― Gus Van Sant's Gerry Blank (Eric H.), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
My own window of interest is the '70s.
Posts so in character they didn't even need to be posted.
― Gus Van Sant's Gerry Blank (Eric H.), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
LOL this thread, memories
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 17 March 2023 12:35 (one year ago) link
No Ludwig (Visconti, 1973), no credibility.
I liked L'Inhumaine, but as a precursor of the more epic lol-80s music videos. (Which I suspect were made by film students who had been trained on whatever version of Metropolis was in circulation.)
Foolish Wives is almost restrained compared to The Merry Widow (1925) or The Wedding March (1928). I haven't seen Queen Kelly, but all accounts suggest it's in the same vein.
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Friday, 17 March 2023 13:04 (one year ago) link
Classic ILX right here.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 March 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link
That's for sure!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 March 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link
xp Clyde Fitch and this thread, thought you may not know it, were well before my time.
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 17 March 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link
What makes a man walk into a lion cage with nothing but a chair?
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 March 2023 15:21 (one year ago) link
clem, did you ever read Klawans?
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 March 2023 15:22 (one year ago) link
Helluva book!
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 17 March 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link
Don't know what the total death toll was for those who worked on Stalker compared to The Conqueror, mentioned above, but it's likely that the industrial location shooting near poisoned waterways was when Tarkovsky contracted cancer.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 17 March 2023 15:49 (one year ago) link
The only copy of this book is in a non-circulating reference library downtown, otherwise I'd like to read it.
One possible inclusion I thought of that I think fits the criteria as I now understand it is Hopper's Last Movie.
I actually like it a lot, but unlike all the other choices on the list, The Last Movie is barely coherent as a movie, thus losing a lot of potential grandeur in the eyes of most viewers.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 17 March 2023 16:00 (one year ago) link
This thread is the classic example of the insular, cock-tugging male critics worldview ILX is sometimes so terrible for.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 18 March 2023 23:12 (one year ago) link
Eric: I remember this thread. Of the many arguments I've had on here, this'd be one where I think back and--without even scrolling back--regret being needlessly difficult. Sorry.
― clemenza, Saturday, 18 March 2023 23:42 (one year ago) link
I certainly didn’t do myself any favors either, obviously, and am fine (retroactively) haveing gotten called out on it
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2023 03:13 (one year ago) link
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2023 03:15 (one year ago) link
Hey, I was trying to be charitable :)
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 19 March 2023 04:09 (one year ago) link