Eric H: Does Klawans mention Hopper's Last Movie?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think so. I don't have the book on me, but I can look at the index later.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link
You're definitely right, Pash.
saw 'l'inhumaine ' this year
not impressed
surprised not to see 'napoleon'
not really sure 'metropolis' goes off the rails
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link
That's one movie that I'm thinking was included to support Klawans' architectural thesis more so than directorial hubris, though it was a pretty massive and expensive undertaking, no?
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it was probably the biggest film made in europe at that time
there was one really huge pre-war one but i've forgotten about it
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought metropolis was the most expensive movie ever when it was made?
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Yeah, I haven't boned up on my Brownlow in awhile.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow @ "The Conqueror"...I never heard that story. Crazy...
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, one of the Medved books has a pic of JWayne and various crew standing around a geiger counter on-site and lolling.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
And this is what it was all for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8U1LVNjJx0
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Not to mention this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciHbJkb9OKI
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
And then did I note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsnWOyfMq4I
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
But I suppose there was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYHU19ntDBQ
Meanwhile going back to Pash's c/p above -- "Operation Upshot-Knothole," okay SOMEBODY was fucking around there.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"Operation Upshot-Knothole" I mean can I just . . .
xp lol
― Tub Girl Time Machine (Phil D.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Overseen by General Bick Dutt Wass-Sipe
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy shit @ these Conqueror clips
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
The whole thing is just insane. I taped it off TV back in the early nineties and good god almighty.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXXZ6URb4VU
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Meantime, if you want a full ten minutes of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gey8eAFe5uw
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Stop it!
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Hahah. (There's not that much more on YouTube, for which we should all be grateful.)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"The Conqureror" is absolutely dreadful from beginning to end, not even entertainingly bad, just grim and dull.
"Upshot-Knothole" I at first thought was some guy's lol-WP edit, but no, it was for real, there are video clips of it on youtube, a nuclear shell fired from a big field gun!
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, good camp it ain't. At least some of the lines are great in isolation given who was speaking them:
Temujin: Come and take me, mongrels - if you dare. While I have fingers to grasp a sword, and eyes to see your cowardly faces, your treacherous heads will not be safe on your shoulders. For I am Temujin, the Conqueror. No prison can hold me, no army defeat me.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I was thinking of starting a similar poll, but limited to American films from approximately At Long Last Love to One from the Heart--seems like every big American director of that period had an oversized disaster (sometimes more than one). I want to check first, though (not sure what search term to use): has this been done already?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
hard to know which criteria to vote on exactly here (fitzcarraldo for the stories, greed for the legend, apocalypse now for the heart attack), but since playtime is one of my favourite movies i guess i'll go for that.
― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i think lola montes is one of my all-time "wished i liked it better" movies
― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
jesus READ THE BOOK
― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
totally agree about Lola
― shanti ram emmanuel (corey), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/FQdlY0-0fhM/
snowball fight starts at about 2:30 and shit starts to get crazy at around 7:00
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Napoléon is one of my all-time favorites. I wish I could see the complete 6-hour film projected with the three screen finale but that'll probably never happen.
― shanti ram emmanuel (corey), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't think so, but that would be a good one too. I like a lot of those movies.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
LOVE One From The Heart, and would actually like to revisit At Long Last Love. It's been (probably justifiably) OOP for years. Clemenza, please do poll.
I have only seen 3 of the films in the OP, and haven't read the book, so won't vote, but Fitzcarraldo has some imagery that has stuck with me since 1982. I've never seen the making-of doc Burden Of Dreams; need to.
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Great, I'll set it up tonight--it's always been a group of films that fascinated me. No reading list, suggestions and omissions encouraged. (Sorry, Eric H., couldn't resist.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Please include Song of Norway if you intended for us to vote for the worst.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Hahah. THAT film.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Good Lord yes, was dragged to that as a school field trip. Others off the top of my head: Waterworld (if you're going that late), Even Cowgirls Get The Blues, 1941.
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Just realized there's only 2 years separating Waterworld and Cowgirls. Sorry to derail this thread, will wait for other one.
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
(Sorry, Eric H., couldn't resist.)
No worries. I guess I torpedoed this one without even realizing it.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
My own window of interest is the '70s. Waterworld and Cowgirls[i] certainly belong on a folly poll somewhere, but I know more about the '75-'82 debacles--all the [i]Easy Rider/Raging Bull directors meeting their Waterloos. Maybe someone who knows more about the late-'80s could set up a second poll?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Try again (italics are my own Waterloo):
My own window of interest is the '70s. Waterworld and Cowgirls certainly belong on a folly poll somewhere, but I know more about the '75-'82 debacles--all the Easy Rider/Raging Bull directors meeting their Waterloos. Maybe someone who knows more about the late-'80s could set up a second poll?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Seconded.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Good Lord yes, was dragged to that as a school field trip.
You saw Song of Norway in a theater?!? I'm 1% jealous, 99% ready to help you with grief counseling.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:15 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
technically, you thirded me, but who's counting
― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Lola Montes was one of those movies where I should love it but I ended up being indifferent.
― THX THO... (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I like Lola Montes just fine.
Inspired the Mekons song "The Flame That Killed John Wayne."
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I had heard the Conqueror stories, had never seen any clips. That looks wretched.
But not as wretched as Song Of Norway!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKHKQ1p4HZk&feature=related
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I do think Cleopatra is sort of the odd one out among these choices in that it really does seem to be a pretty irredeemable misfire, as opposed to glorious. (Never managed to get through it, myself.)
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link