GRAN TURISMO 5

just reliving the perverse, masochistic pleasure of trying for gold in every driving test. i've never played a training level in any other game as difficult or rewarding

xp That may be so but the menu convention and horrible 3D calibration system make this game a real chore to use in 2010.

I'll play it properly soon (haven't touched it since last week) and am prepared to eat my words.

The loading for a race isn't so bad (30 sec. or so, pretty standard for racing games), but it's the poorly designed UI/menu system that gets to be a drag as you have to go through a variety of menus to do anything and each of those menus takes 10-20 seconds (or more to load)... it adds up to a lot more time spent in menus than there needs to be. Sometimes I feel like I'm in the menu system more than in races - I'd love to see the stats. The menu system is weirdly poorly designed & just because it has always been poor in GT isn't an excuse. I keep a sketch book by my side when playing and have filled pages with doodles and whiney complaints.

For me, the variety of content is the best thing about the game, but sometimes it's a weakness as certain areas seem to lack focus (rally in particular feels like shit to me). Online is undercooked and a mess... and that you don't get credits or experiences for online races is absurd (they claim it will be patched in at some point, I guess). Also the cars I'd most like to drive are too fucking expensive - I mean 14,000,000 credits expensive - THE GRIND.

Yeah, no excuse for poor UI design these days. Good conventions are so widespread and so absolute that reinventing the wheel is mental whichever way you look at it. I don't know what got into these people. Pseudo-mouse-pointer to select buttons? Back + acknowledge to go back? The stupidest settings menu structure I have ever seen? etc etc.

I dunno, it just feels like someone suddenly manufacturing a car with the brake pedal on the ceiling.

Don't get me wrong, at times I really do like the game (in particular I've mostly had a blast racing karts online), but at other times it has really aggravated me. My main gripes are the absolutely shockingly shit AI (which is why I most want credits for racing online) and the 80% standard cars (not just because of how crap they look, but mainly because I like to race in cockpit view, which they don't have), and the used car dealership for the standard cars that only stocks a small random batch at a time that is never the cars I need to do certain events.

Ah, I thought maybe I just didn't know the correct button to engage cockpit view. Can't believe they locked that down.

I keep a sketch book by my side when playing and have filled pages with doodles and whiney complaints.

This is awesome

A brand new 150Mb update! I can't do shit until it downloads and installs now. PS3 is seriously the worst fucking console ever.

haha i actually got hit with that right after the 45min GT installation, when it asks you to login to PSN. which required quitting GT, then installing the update, then starting GT again..

never managed to get into Prologue (or Prelude, w/e) so not sure whether I should bother with this one

I personally suspect that this one might be best for people who haven't played a GT in a long time.

as someone who fits that description i looove the fact that my old favorite tracks from GT1 are still in there, i.e. Deep Forest

the whole claiming-your-prize-car thing is weird.. you have to "click" on Car Delivery, then choose the car, then say "Yes" when it asks if you want to "use" it, then it... dramatically appears out of the darkness and THEN it's finally in your garage. and then you have to go back and select the car you were previously driving if you want to continue driving that one.

but like... whatever

i chose the Civic Type R with my initial money and i have been smoking the competition

also, i should note that i soooo love to drive like an asshole

the drafting training was hella fun

a few more thoughts (as I near 1,000 miles)...

I don't who thought it was a good idea to put development resources into the b-Spec mode - what a waste. I put it on when I'm cooking dinner or something to earn a few credits, but it just seems so... why? Who finds it fun to (basically) watch a game play itself?

I don't understand why these games don't scale your opponents in the races. It seems like either my car isn't good enough to compete (even though it qualifies for the race) or it is overpowered and the racing feels more like a drive in the country on a Sunday afternoon & almost as completely free of challenge as b-Spec mode. It's really hard to find the sweet spot, especially as you only have the funds to buy so many different cars. This could easily be fixed if the game just loaded up cars that performed similar to whatever car you picked.

The driving model in this game, with all assists off, is REALLY good, comparable to the best PC sims, so I don't mind so much that it seems more like a driving game than a racing game most of the time. It's fun to drive.

when you say "assists" what do you mean? would that include automatic shifting?

i hear what you're saying re difficulty scaling - i'm either blowing away the field or my car just isn't good enough. but if memory of GT1 serves, eventually the races will get harder and i'll be playing clubman special stage for the 10th time in a row just to eke out the win i need to get [x] car that i can then sell to buy the semi-racing suspension etc

have won most of the beginner races but can't find any classic cars in the dealerships to buy..

putting all this resource management crap into driving games is a huge pain in the ass. ok, fine, if you want to lock some cars until i've progressed a certain amount, go ahead. don't make me have to earn money and visit dealerships and all that wahoosie when all i want to do is DRIVE.

ledge - if you just want to drive you can always back out to the main menu and just do arcade races (nice selection of cars you can use in there too). no credits or $ for those races though :(

when you say "assists" what do you mean? would that include automatic shifting?

For me, yeah, I've usually got everything off in driving options, no driving line, no traction control, no ASM or ABS, manual trans and this gives you a lot more control and a better overall feeling (but I play with a wheel, so that makes it easier). I've also gotten used to it in other sims like iRacing (that have no assists), so to play with 'em really messes with my head. It's sort of a drag that when you switch cars or events it keeps turning some of those assists back on so you have to remember to keep going back to the driving options before a race and turn 'em off. I've had a few races where I forget the assists got reset and left the default on TC:5 ABS:1 and it felt like driving on rails to me - can't imagine how pointless it would feel with the even higher level of assists available.

At the least, even if you're using a joypad controller, you should learn to use manual transmission as that will give you a lot more control and speed through corners & you will feel a lot more engaged in the driving.

hmmm... will consider. i didn't even know those options existed tbh (apart from manual trans of course).

for a beefy challenge it can be pretty fun to buy an overpowered FR car and do NO mods to it at all.. can be pretty tough to win without sliding all over the track.

I don't want to lecture from the mountain tops, but if you're only going to turn off one assist, PLEASE turn off the racing line... you will find the driving much more fun the less crutches you use, but that one is the worst & totally ruins immersion in racing games, imo. Even with all the assists off, the fact that you can't turn off the HUD is also still a HUGE assist as you don't have to really learn the tracks or even braking points as there is no way to stop the game from telling you when to brake or downshift with a giant red flashing number. Also always having the map on screen should more than make up for no driving line even if you don't take any time to learn the track.

oh yeah i definitely turned off the racing line!! in fact i thought it was a bug that it was there, in real races.

i actually find the map fucks with my concentration and memorization - i need to know the bends as they actually appear, not as i anticipate them appearing due to the map

like, i'll be looking at the map, going, ah OK now i'll get ready for this turn and boom it's already upon me and i'm fucked

it's like going around an unfamiliar city with a friend who knows it really well, and then thinking you do too - then once you actually try to get around on your own you're lost

I know some will find this lame, but I love 'Grid' - I played GT3 on PS2 years back - will I like this?

Did you enjoy playing GT3? GT5 is basically the same with sharper/more detailed graphics and some online features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA90uxcwQW8

vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA90uxcwQW8

that's the same link

oops - same video, I meant vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cysH1SzSs4

the oddness of GT is a large part of its charm. completely bonkers menu design, the downtempo smooth jazz aesthetic, the baroque installation mechanics--at this point, like 12 years or whatever after the first GT, this shit is soothing.

it's a nice respite from call of duty nu metal tapout extremity.

adam I wanted to say the same thing as you but you put it much better than I would have.

haha lipstick meet pig

it's the opposite really - a thoroughbred of a game with the immediate air of a gimpy nag

last night i spent two hours trying to get a VW van around the Top Gear test track - fuck me i never thought a 70mph race would be so hard

i got bronze in that and am taking a break. shit is nuts.

the intermediate top gear challenge, with the lotus that floats around the track like a hot wheel, is a motherfucker as well. haven't even hit bronze in that one.

The samba bus top gear thing was driving me crazy too - so many tries and so many disqualifieds. I've got 2nd place twice though (still want that gold, but it's maybe too infuriating to bother with).

Samba bus race is ruining my life. I was out front once, but messed up the LAST corner and was *DISQUALIFIED*... so annoying, yet so great.

So, basically what you're all saying is that I should purchase this immediately.

yes.

music is hideous

Question for you chaps and chappettes: I'm going to pick up either this or F1 this week because I've been hankering for a racing/driving game. Any thoughts as to which one I should get? (I'll ask the same in the F1 thread and see if that gets a different response).

i've never played F1 but GT5 is an incredible bargain when you consider it's many, many racing games in one - NASCAR, karts, rally, etc - and within those genres are so many different sorts of challenges

Thanks Tracer!

played it at a friends house over xmas, to be honest it was a lot better than i expected. tho wasn't impressed visually, there's a lot in there to keep the racer occupied. Never quite got around to seeing the rain courses, but on youtube they look pretty spectacular.

I think I'll get this, but might need a wheel to appreciate it.

question about the nascar, rally, and karting etc. i only really saw a rather crappy couple of races in each. Do they expand to proper races/leagues/cups ?

question about the nascar, rally, and karting etc. i only really saw a rather crappy couple of races in each. Do they expand to proper races/leagues/cups ?

No.

On the F1 thread Jeff you said:

With Gran Turismo I feel like it's much harder to have a good race - it's more of a driving and car collecting grindathon game (because your car is either too weak or too powerful in 90% of the racing you do - there rarely is that balanced, tight racing - maybe except if you set it up just right in online)

In my limited time playing GT5 this is sadly true. I wish there were like, a walkthrough or something, designed not for maximising points or speeding through the game but for having competitors at the appropriate level for your stage in the game and car quality..

Like, I've watched the reply maybe twice? What's the point of watching yourself win by a lap?

replAy

thing with gt5 was that is seems really easy to just tune up your car if its not winning races. i remember older gt's being much harder about this, and in the end you were racing the same tracks over and over again just to get some money to tune up.

i guess what i'm saying is that it's both a good and bad thing.

meh.

'was that it seems' oh deary deary me

Get On Myassinyourauditt All Day

i've been have a good time doing the nations cup and mfr series this winter. the appointed times on wed and sat and qualifier period, looking up the right pit strategies etc etc really add to the tension and drama. i didn't do them all tho; the formula cars @ mt. panorama was a panic attack waiting to happen. the up-tuned road cars on the endless drag course was zzzz

do i have more liveries? oh my GOD yes i do!

>> Drinks:

the national beer of Tahiti, Hinano. Porsche 911 RSR
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/10651232/1/6422776351870190609

Bacchus Brewing Co of Brisbane, AUS (not the one in Ithaca, NY), Dodge Viper SRT GT3-R
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/3862543/1/6422134179500164633

Chilean craft brewery Ceveceria Haendel, ‘92 Ferrari F40
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/3623811/1/8439826039612375584

Chamisul soju, which is (I didn’t know this) the most popular spirit in the world and has been for like 20 years? Nissan R33 GT-R V-spec
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1027576/1/8358756787663439385

Slovenian mineral water Radenska, Mazda Atenza Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1037078/1/8287196175155593241

>> Foods:

Taffel Chips of Finland, Alfa Romeo MiTo
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1050069/1/8224153541268211248

Vogue Cafe, Audi TT Cup. This is a Conde Nast property. Just opened one in Beijing.
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/11493798/1/6341170536907802120

Lotus Biscoff cookies, Audi TT Cup
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1349463/1/7566708260157294104

Uncle Joe’s Mint Balls, RB X2014 Standard
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1118592/1/8430808952856379433

India’s favorite chewing gum Big Babol, Lamborghini Huracan Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1136781/1/5197238711973086208

Green matcha Kit Kat, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo.Final Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1037078/1/8287196175155593241

Danish gum Stimorol Free, Jaguar F-type Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/2036711/1/4981007578391643656

Argentinian pet food (this counts as food) Sabrositos, Honda Civic Type-R
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/5995407/1/8646916793386959385

a cheeseburger, the car just looks like a dang cheeseburger. Abarth 500
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/5107621/1/8070455014658703385

>> reeeally niche French shit:

Cliffe, a small French fashion brand (creator: youtuber and BMX rider (k*l*an) Constanzo), mostly sweatshirts so far? Good luck breau. Anyway, car looks cool. Toyota GR Yaris RZ
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/8855099/1/6494776771288794113

Les Restaurants du Coeur, French food charity (the man pictured on the car, the comedian who founded the charity, died in a traffic accident in 1986. The rude phrase is a song by a friend of his about his death.), Mazda Roadster Touring Car
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/3893965/1/5557522218032857089

Petit Navire canned tuna, Porsche 911 RSR
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/11977475/1/6710395345796367880

Breizh Cola, a regional soda from Brittany, BMW M3
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/5897294/1/5621131166467785737

La Baleine sea salt of Provence, BMW M3 GT
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1664775/1/5980868348429238305

truly baffling, this one: Haras d’Ouilly, a renowned horse breeding farm in Normandy, now owned by billionaire mogul and hereditary imam of Nizari Ismailism, Aga Khan IV (he was also a downhill skier for Iran in the ‘64 Olympics) https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1009658/1/7863869958362529808

“Le Grand Bazar,” a 1973 French movie about a supermarket, a vehicle for comedy team Les Charlots. This was a real livery on a Porsche touring car that year. I’m losing my mind. Porsche 911 Turbo ‘81. https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/2323394/1/6134488815995192865

>> Americans are a bizarre people if you think about it:

The Arizona Desert Museum, Tucson AZ. Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/2379860/1/5558019259479654425

Jeld-Wen windows & doors of Charlotte, NC. Aston Martin DBR9 GT1
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/2303221/1/5197159476336035352

Fixodent Ultra denture adhesive. God knows where this guy got a little .svg of dentures, but they’re on there, bless him. Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1970228/1/4971982784778207281

Island Hoppers helicopter charters (TC’s business in Magnum PI), MINI Clubman VGT
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1332665/1/7431534292367310896

Firefox browser, Nissan MOTUL AUTECH GT-R (not what comes to mind for speed boom roasted)
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/2208361/1/7710823379914195472

As seen on TV: the Huggle blanket hoodie, on (what else?) a Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 SV
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1970228/1/8791115601922754056

Bob Ross for automotive paints House of Kolor, Aston Martin V8 Vantage Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/9787142/1/6350088675384133128

under lockdown I’ve seen more of these kinds of brands, funny funny: Scott 1000 toilet paper, Aston Martin V8 Vantage Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/9787142/1/5477015973878825496

...also Charmin, Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/7114823/1/8142508210198184993

deep psychosis on display, here I am rewarding it: tribute to the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders (sfw no cheesecake), Lamborghini Veneno
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/6175510/1/5989793074992153640

The 1962-64 Ferrari 250 GTO is the rarest car in the world; only 36 exist. Ralph Lauren owns one. At a 2018 auction it became the most expensive car ever at $48millionUSD. So, here it is, liveried for the Olive Garden!
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/8654469/1/8584455734358476337

>> some people really love airlines?

Air New Zealand Dreamliner, Renault Megane Trophy
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/7183195/1/5188155640041701888

Malaysia Airlines, Hyundai Genesis Gr.3
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/7033635/1/6845493497012682768

Hawaiian Airlines, Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/8777061/1/6422780763148649480

Air Canada Rouge, their budget branch. Peugeot RCZ Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1001361/1/4900554115626598456

>> Art

Keith Haring tribute, ‘67 Chevy Nova
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1950076/1/5549090059055038992

Die Antwoord “ZEF” mural graffiti, ‘71 Mercedes Benz 300 SEL
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1950076/1/7998401812300301824

Art car by Esther Mahlangu, BMW M4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1019389/1/8511873733337547272

>> A Panoply of Goods & Services

Finnish clothing & home goods brand Marimekko, Peugeot RCZ Gr.3
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/11493798/1/5485403107094463001

“the0123”, website of Japanese moving/shipping firm Art Corporation, Mazda Atenza Gr.3
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/2307592/1/5341345102304379904

Japanese pet product/veterinary hospital chain Aeon Pet, Renault Megane RS Trophy Safety Car
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/7183195/1/5341296658755912720

Korg Music Workstation, ‘91 Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1017269/1/8358752379007436337

Northweek, sunglasses brand from Barcelona, Aston Martin V8 Vantage Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1445919/1/6918166750914709041

Dutch glasses brand Outspoken Eyewear, Mercedes Benz AMG GT3
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1332015/1/5053114648844338208

Czech pharmacy network Dr.Max, ‘92 Ferrari F40
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/2484449/1/5053602840098931256

Flymo, UK lawnmower company, Jaguar F-type Gr.3. A commenter: “Nice 1 hope to keep it off the grass lol” https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1067570/1/8574866955604853768

Imagenta, a Belgian graphic design firm that (~~meta meta meta~~) makes decals and automobile livery wraps. Renault Megane Gr.4
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/my-library/carLivery/livery/1332665/1/8511826469312267280

i won an FIA race!