i basically can't be bothered to particularly rep for artists whose careers are basically just them dribbling on to the internet without any sort of editorial process and leaving their fans to actually curate their shit into some sort of sense
to clarify i mean this w/r/t artists of a certain status - obv i'm totally happy to do this for emerging artists at the start of their career, but gucci mane should be well beyond it, and it actively pisses me off that he can't get a grip on his career.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Surprised by Teenage Fanclub placing on so many lists. One of my favourite groups ever, but this album seemed very moderate to me. A nostalgia vote from people who suspect it might be their last album?
― ithappens, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
The Spin list:
40. Teenage Fanclub - Shadows39. Caribou - Swim38. Eminem - Recovery37. The Walkmen - Lisbon36. The Gaslight Anthem - American Slang35. Robert Plant - Band Of Joy34. Against Me! - White Crosses33. Ted Leo & The Pharmacists - Brutalist Bricks32. Big K.R.I.T. - K.R.I.T. Wuz Here31. Spoon - Transference30. The Black Keys - Brothers29. Sleight Bells - Treats28. Neil Young - Le Noise27. Glasser - Ring26. The National - High Violet25. Of Montreal - False Priest24. Wavves - King Of The Beach23. Gorillaz - Plastic Beach22. Cee Lo Green - The Lady Killer21. Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles20. MGMT - Congratulations19. No Age - Everything In Between18. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding17. Beach House - Teen Dream16. Drake - Thank Me Later15. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor14. Best Coast - Crazy For You13. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot The Son Of Dusty Chico12. Yeasayer - Odd Blood11. Vampire Weekend - Contra10. Robyn - Body Talk Pt. 19. Kid Cudi - Man On The Moon II: The Legend Of Mr. Rager8. MIA - M/\Y/\7. Grinderman - Grinderman 26. Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroid5. Jamey Johnson - The Guitar Song4. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening3. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs2. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― Dan S, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
jewelry selection is a terrific mixtape, esp its second half, but i've kind of given up on gucci mane ever getting it together to fulfil his potential on a proper album, and i basically can't be bothered to particularly rep for artists whose careers are basically just them dribbling on to the internet without any sort of editorial process and leaving their fans to actually curate their shit into some sort of sense
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, December 6, 2010 11:15 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
o_O you were nicki's biggest backer //// lol rockist
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp well that clarifies things slightly @ lex
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
deej read my clarification - nicki is actually the perfect counterexample - and also wtf does "rockist" even mean in this context, is it 2004 again in your mind?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god xp
i basically can't be bothered to particularly rep for artists whose careers are basically just them dribbling on to the internet without any sort of editorial process and leaving their fans to actually curate their shit into some sort of sense to clarify i mean this w/r/t artists of a certain status - obv i'm totally happy to do this for emerging artists at the start of their career, but gucci mane should be well beyond it, and it actively pisses me off that he can't get a grip on his career.
No you were right the first time. MYSTIQUE and QUALITY CONTROL, people. I know the former has kind of gone out of the window in the Twitter age but still. Although given what happens when major label rap artists start giving up control over the editorial process maybe it's the lesser of two evils.
Also srlsy fuck Spin for coining the phrase "art-soul" and then using it about YEASAYER.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
a proper album
if only he could get it together & release a proper album like paris hilton
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Monday, December 6, 2010 11:28 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
if u are arguing this you never 'got' gucci mane in the 1st place
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i could probably put together 15 gucci mane tracks from 2010 - not just off jewelry selection - that could be an album of the year contender, like top 5 of the year. why the fuck can't he do it, then? why are some of his best tracks not even on mixtapes? still?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
jewelry selection is a perfectly fine album & better rap LP than the nicki record for just one example
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
just reading the phrase 'proper album' has me rmde
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
aw, I was just posting the Spin top 10
Spin really makes me lol; I disagree with over half their choices yet still somehow as an aggregate they manage to continue to rep 80% of my overall musical aesthetic better than anyone else
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Angst Music For Sex People: The Quietus Albums Of 2010
1. Liars - Sisterworld 2. Salem - King Night 3. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky 4. These New Puritans - Hidden 5. The Fall - Your Future Our Clutter 6. Walls - Walls 7. Lindstrom and Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool 8. Teeth Of The Sea - Your Mercury 9. New Young Pony Club - The Optimist 10. UFOmammut - Eve 11. Gayngs - Relayted 12. Electric Wizard - Black Masses 13. Cathedral - The Guessing Game 14. Besnard Lakes - Are The Roaring Night 15. Grinderman - Grinderman II 16. Zola Jesus - Stridulum II 17. The Body - And All The Waters Of The Earth Shall Turn To Blood 18. Pan Sonic - Gravitoni 19. Janelle Monae - The Archandroid 20. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Leftfoot: Son Of Chico Dusty 21. Anika - Anika 22. FM Einheit - No Apologies 23. Barn Owl - Ancestral Star 24. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal 25. Shining - Blackjazz 26. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma 27. I Like Trains - He Who Saw The Deep 28. Shit Robot - From The Cradle To The Rave 29. High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine 30. Lonelady - Nerve Up 31. Jane Weaver - The Fallen By Watchbird 32. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise 33. Napoleon III - Christiana 34. Gil Scott-Heron - I’m New Here 35. Arabrot - Revenge 36. Ali Farka Touré and Toumani Diabaté - Ali and Toumani 37. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs 38. Demdike Stare - Symbiosis 39. Mulatu Astatke - Mulatu Steps Ahead
― piscesx, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
LCD are getting crazy love in this year's polls. Don't quite get it, much as i love 2 or 3 tracks on the album.
Well, I think it's in large part because of the three albums, it's the most cohesive; regardless of whether you think the individual songs work, they do ebb and flow very nicely into each other. (Personally, I think it's the best thing he's done that I've heard by leaps and bounds.)
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Nice to see the Mulatu Astatke album turning up in the Quietus list, it's not world-changing but it's an enjoyable listen and deserves to be mentioned.
― seandalai, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks for posting that Spin list, their website drives my up the wall.
― sofatruck, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
click… click… click (x40)
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Sean from Drowned.. mentions 'a strange but apparent death of consensus' in the spiel that accompnies the DIS list and i think Reynolds' piece from last year about a lack of overall consensus between crits as the last decade progressed, and why that has happened, is even more relevant than a year ago: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/dec/07/musically-fragmented-decade
― piscesx, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
how in the world can anyone possibly argue that there's been a death of consensus in the last two years when ALL THESE LISTS ARE BASICALLY IDENTICAL
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
well sure, if you view all these indie rock acts as essentially the same, the lists can be considered "basically identical". Whereas those people who, you know, like and listen to indie rock hear big differences between Deerhunter and Titus Andronicus and see lists with one or the other at the top as anything but basically identical.
― skip, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
still, it's basically the same 50-75 albums that show up over and over...it would be nice to have a little more variety
― Dan S, Monday, 6 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
God you guys would have hated the lists back in 1968 when there was only like 50 albums to choose from anyway.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes but you can safely assume from the words "Sean from Drownedinsound mentions..." that everything that follows is going to be overexcitable bollocks with no basis in reality.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
We’ll be listing them in groups of ten, so today it’s entries 100 to 81, on Tuesday it’s 80-61, Wednesday 60-41, Thursday 40-21, and finally 20-1 on Friday.
lol at this ^^ on the FACT tracks list; these are NOT groups of ten u idiots!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Our list doesn't have that much in common with the others. Cathedral, High On Fire, Pansonic, Mulatu Astatke, Demdike Stare, Shining, The Body, Arabrot, Jane Weaver, Napoleon III, Electric Wizard, UFOmammut, Ali Farka Toure and Toumani Diabate, I Like Trains, Barn Owl, Anika... I mean, I'm not going to start pretending I like really obscure records just to make it even more diverse than it already is.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
are you from fact? i was being kinda troll-y with that, obv, but i do believe that FACT's lists arent really that difft in terms of the values / aesthetics they favor than pfork is ... just less trad indie, less folk, more idm, more dubstep, more eurotechno
its sorta like, take a pfork list & center it around burial instead of animal collective (by switching each artist's placements)
i mean, this basically is "Fact music" so im not really criticizing this approach on its own terms, just arguing that its not nearly as refreshingly unexpected as ppl sometimes present it
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, yeah but I'm helpless in the face of trolls... it's my achille's heel. No, I'm from the Quietus. I like FACT's list but I'm more into industrial/ metal/ drone/ noise etc than dance music, hence the weighting on ours.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
That R1 Ryders track is banging by the way.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked that Quietus list a lot, Doran. Lots of character, and lots of recommendations I'm excited to check out. Also: It takes balls ranking Salem so high. That's an album with definite merit, but an album that can be really taxing to defend.
― Evan R, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Quite. I cringed involuntarily when I saw how high it came in. Cheers.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Monday, December 6, 2010 12:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
surprised it took 5 posts before someone made this point
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
in many of these lists, salem are actually standing out in a good way - kinda feel sorry for anyone who thinks they're worse than the national. arcade fire, sleigh bells, gayngs etc etc
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― skip, Monday, December 6, 2010 11:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
this post is hilarious
I'm not really into either of those bands but even from cursory listens it's pretty easy to see they sound absolutely nothing like each other.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I am completely comfortable in saying that if you like Salem more than Sleigh Bells, you are probably a racist.
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i realize deerhunter & titus andronicus are different bands, but if they show up 10-1 on one list and 1-10 on another, there's a REALLY good chance that those are gonna be similar ass lists
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the thing about the SPIN gallery is not the 40 click thrus (tons of websites do this & it's probably gonna be the least of crimes as we move forward) but that their site is slow as shit -- the combination is intolerable
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ otm
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
The New York Times was so courageous in covering Salem, and making it safe for blogs to put them in their top 10s.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
what i've heard has not motivated me to spend £££ to listen to the record
Haha, I actually sent "House Girls 6" in full to some people Lex but left you off because you said you hated it...
In my top 3 tracks of the year dudes, if that means anything.
― Tim F, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Are there any actual standout tracks on that Teenage Fanclub album? Is it worth checking out?
― billstevejim, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"Power," the most exhilarating, witty, and necessarily bombastic track of his career
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
not really billsteve...but still worth checking out/finding a stream.
― skip, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
"house girls 6" cost me 69p and it was definitely worth it
― just sayin, Monday, 6 December 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah House Girls 6 is great, I don't get how anyone could rep for Hey Hey and the Ayobaness comp and not like it.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm liking this Solar Bears album as well - brightly coloured cartoon beach music. Also a bit like Boards of Canada picked the whole Robygiv vibe and built from there.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
the Quietus 2010 list contains one actual hip-hop album (Big Boi) and two others tangentially related to hip-hop (Janelle, Flying Lotus), yet places an album that offensively steal most of its ideas from hip-hop at #2 (Salem). who would truly prefer white guys making light of black music and culture to actual hip-hop? i like the rest of the list, but Salem at #2 is just embarrassing
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link