Jo$eph Campbell - The Hero with A Thousand Big Faces
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
imo, ppl bringing their own real world perspectives to these discussions is valuable & necessary, not something to be avoided, and its too bad that al's cattiness made ppl think there's something wrong with it
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'm not saying that i'm wary of ppl making up fake arguments -- it's more of a "anecdotes are like assholes..." thing
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
ive never furthered an argument that claimed my personal experience was universal
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
at least, since high school
anyway im interested in wiz's concert bookings from a year ago prior to bny
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
wiz sold out the 835 capacity venue here last may in less than a week
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
xp well, i can actually help you there.last nov he sold out 800+ nyc but it was on a bill with a lotta other folks.
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
haha holy shit at this long drawn out convo about who's more popular. Wiz totally is -- was before "Black & Yellow" dropped but that definitely has widened the gap a bit
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
and i say that as someone who doesn't actively check for either of them but hears about them both a lot
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
deej has a point about his unexpected popularity though: two editors at the student paper (one of whom is a white Colombian kid lol) were shocked that I knew about Curren$y. They'd loved his mixtapes for months.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
You're a music critic, Al, that's hardly representative of the average rap fan. And they're writers of the student paper, thus much more likely to know this kind of stuff, too.
― altered boners (rennavate), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I should have said: these guys do not really follow music at all except for hip-hop. The Colombian dude is -- heh -- recording an EP over the break.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
alfred, wiz is playing a free show outside at UM tonight. you think you can get us a headcount?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
herby colombian white
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, December 3, 2010 5:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what are u basing it on? i agree after bny that wiz pulled ahead (& the numbers bear this out obv)
i still think curren$y is about as popular as one can possibly get while still being 'underground'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think his national appeal should also not be underestimated -- hes decidedly not a regional artist
& finally, any crowd that jumped on wiz for 'say yeah' has to be minute at best -- he doesnt even play that at his shows now, and when he says "im about to take it back!!!" he still performs songs that came out after "say yeah"
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 6:56 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark
isn't tech n9ne the standard bearer for this? curren$y isn't going platinum any time soon
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think anyone cares about "say yeah" but us
altho maybe he thinks it's corny
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"say yeah" got some (not much) airplay here
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
why would I when I can get laid?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
take one for the team
curren$y isn't going platinum any time soon
how many rappers are?
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
tech n9ne apparently!
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
what??
The album sold 17,000 copies in its first week and 5,000 copies during its second. Record sales reached upwards of 22,000 copies in only 2 weeks.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
thats techn9ne's last record
lol @ "only"
Thirteen years and counting
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
The album debuted at number 14 on the Billboard 200 selling 30,326 copies in its first week.[9]
thats his 09 record
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
n/m i got confused -- tech n9ne scanned his millionth album w/ 'killer'
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought the whole album went platinum independently
regardless, talking about billboard numbers is grade-A stupid & pointless in this debate.
that's the problem tho w/ these arguments is that if we can't rely on what little quantitative numbers that we have, it's just one person's word vs the other's & it's hard to find the opposite argument to be legitimate
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i'm not sticking by the thing about tech n9ne being more popular than curren$y
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 7:56 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm basing it on how much i hear about Wiz from rap guys i know IRL or on twitter, how often he does big sold out shows in the area, other stuff like Wiz being on the official remix to a huge Trey Songz single even before "Black & Yellow" was even out. Wiz & Curren$y are definitely both pretty popular together and individually but it feels very clear whose mainstream profile is higher.
― some dude, Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i think this debate has actually fleshed out a better idea of how popular these dudes are, i feel 'more informed' having participated
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
me too, just saying
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder why curren$y isn't touring -- obvi if wiz keeps up a consistent tour schedule thats going to affect things too
i think wiz is probably also easier to rap along with
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, curren$y is touring, but why he isnt doing wiz-style national touring
i mean hes gotta be bigger then effin nipsey hussle
yeah probably
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
should have a x < y < z < a < b < c argument about which middleweight rappers are more popular than others
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
we haven't incorporated youtube views into this debate yet lol
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 6:07 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
Yes, entirely. This is a big part of his appeal vs Curren$y. Doesn't make him a better rapper, but it counts for a lot.
― altered boners (rennavate), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah, wiz has been touring like crazy
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
the wiz/curren$y mix was my favorite of the curren$y mixtapes but I tried Kush & OJ and couldn't get with a whole mix of just wiz. it was alright just ... too much I guess. their styles go good together imo.
― dmr, Saturday, 4 December 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^i mostly agree although this is one of the best songs to drop this year imohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZwdyt_MA7s
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
wiz's twitter avatar is hella endearing
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1184951409/WIZ-KHALIZAx-WAKEN-BAKEN-TOUR-2010-x-Best-Buy-Theatre-NYC-x-via-Ernest-Estim_-10.21.10.-Image-Copywritten-All-Rights-Reserved-2010.-Use-Without-Proper-Permission-Prohibited.-www.ernestestime.com-www.ernestestime.comcolumn046.jpg
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 11 December 2010 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
hater commentators, call em pat buchanans
^^^had that line stuck in my head all day
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Saturday, 11 December 2010 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link