no perspective but our own perspective, y'know? I'm not trying to cop like i have DEEP KNOWLEDGE from working in the field. Anecdotal quickly turns into fait accompli especially when you hear it often enough.
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't like 'in my word of young ppl' arguments because theoretically i could make any shit up about my world of young ppl to support my argument & no one could actually verify it's truthfulness -- also sample sizes
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:53 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
right, it relies on us trusting that the other person isnt being disingenuous, and i would trust most of you dudes to explain honest anecdotes. its one thing to use it statistically, as if it represents broad popularity, but if you're just using it as supporting evidence that ilx =/= the world i dont see any problem with it
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
(tho to be fair, i really do have DEEP KNOWLEDGE from working in the field)
but my anecdotal, and jordan's, was used to imply there is truth outside of received wisdom, not to create more received wisdom. its about critique, not creation of myth
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Jo$eph Campbell - The Hero with A Thousand Big Faces
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
imo, ppl bringing their own real world perspectives to these discussions is valuable & necessary, not something to be avoided, and its too bad that al's cattiness made ppl think there's something wrong with it
yeah i'm not saying that i'm wary of ppl making up fake arguments -- it's more of a "anecdotes are like assholes..." thing
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
ive never furthered an argument that claimed my personal experience was universal
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
at least, since high school
anyway im interested in wiz's concert bookings from a year ago prior to bny
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
wiz sold out the 835 capacity venue here last may in less than a week
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
xp well, i can actually help you there.last nov he sold out 800+ nyc but it was on a bill with a lotta other folks.
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
haha holy shit at this long drawn out convo about who's more popular. Wiz totally is -- was before "Black & Yellow" dropped but that definitely has widened the gap a bit
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
and i say that as someone who doesn't actively check for either of them but hears about them both a lot
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
deej has a point about his unexpected popularity though: two editors at the student paper (one of whom is a white Colombian kid lol) were shocked that I knew about Curren$y. They'd loved his mixtapes for months.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
You're a music critic, Al, that's hardly representative of the average rap fan. And they're writers of the student paper, thus much more likely to know this kind of stuff, too.
― altered boners (rennavate), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I should have said: these guys do not really follow music at all except for hip-hop. The Colombian dude is -- heh -- recording an EP over the break.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
alfred, wiz is playing a free show outside at UM tonight. you think you can get us a headcount?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
herby colombian white
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, December 3, 2010 5:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what are u basing it on? i agree after bny that wiz pulled ahead (& the numbers bear this out obv)
i still think curren$y is about as popular as one can possibly get while still being 'underground'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think his national appeal should also not be underestimated -- hes decidedly not a regional artist
& finally, any crowd that jumped on wiz for 'say yeah' has to be minute at best -- he doesnt even play that at his shows now, and when he says "im about to take it back!!!" he still performs songs that came out after "say yeah"
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 6:56 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark
isn't tech n9ne the standard bearer for this? curren$y isn't going platinum any time soon
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think anyone cares about "say yeah" but us
altho maybe he thinks it's corny
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"say yeah" got some (not much) airplay here
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
why would I when I can get laid?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
take one for the team
curren$y isn't going platinum any time soon
how many rappers are?
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
tech n9ne apparently!
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
what??
The album sold 17,000 copies in its first week and 5,000 copies during its second. Record sales reached upwards of 22,000 copies in only 2 weeks.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
thats techn9ne's last record
lol @ "only"
Thirteen years and counting
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
The album debuted at number 14 on the Billboard 200 selling 30,326 copies in its first week.[9]
thats his 09 record
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
n/m i got confused -- tech n9ne scanned his millionth album w/ 'killer'
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought the whole album went platinum independently
regardless, talking about billboard numbers is grade-A stupid & pointless in this debate.
that's the problem tho w/ these arguments is that if we can't rely on what little quantitative numbers that we have, it's just one person's word vs the other's & it's hard to find the opposite argument to be legitimate
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i'm not sticking by the thing about tech n9ne being more popular than curren$y
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 7:56 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm basing it on how much i hear about Wiz from rap guys i know IRL or on twitter, how often he does big sold out shows in the area, other stuff like Wiz being on the official remix to a huge Trey Songz single even before "Black & Yellow" was even out. Wiz & Curren$y are definitely both pretty popular together and individually but it feels very clear whose mainstream profile is higher.
― some dude, Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i think this debate has actually fleshed out a better idea of how popular these dudes are, i feel 'more informed' having participated
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
me too, just saying
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder why curren$y isn't touring -- obvi if wiz keeps up a consistent tour schedule thats going to affect things too
i think wiz is probably also easier to rap along with
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, curren$y is touring, but why he isnt doing wiz-style national touring
i mean hes gotta be bigger then effin nipsey hussle
yeah probably
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
should have a x < y < z < a < b < c argument about which middleweight rappers are more popular than others
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
we haven't incorporated youtube views into this debate yet lol
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 6:07 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
Yes, entirely. This is a big part of his appeal vs Curren$y. Doesn't make him a better rapper, but it counts for a lot.
― altered boners (rennavate), Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah, wiz has been touring like crazy
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link