curren$y (or currensy i guess) - pilot talk

or rather, it was supported by forks hard numbers

no perspective but our own perspective, y'know? I'm not trying to cop like i have DEEP KNOWLEDGE from working in the field. Anecdotal quickly turns into fait accompli especially when you hear it often enough.

i don't like 'in my word of young ppl' arguments because theoretically i could make any shit up about my world of young ppl to support my argument & no one could actually verify it's truthfulness -- also sample sizes

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:53 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

right, it relies on us trusting that the other person isnt being disingenuous, and i would trust most of you dudes to explain honest anecdotes. its one thing to use it statistically, as if it represents broad popularity, but if you're just using it as supporting evidence that ilx =/= the world i dont see any problem with it

(tho to be fair, i really do have DEEP KNOWLEDGE from working in the field)

but my anecdotal, and jordan's, was used to imply there is truth outside of received wisdom, not to create more received wisdom. its about critique, not creation of myth

Jo$eph Campbell - The Hero with A Thousand Big Faces

imo, ppl bringing their own real world perspectives to these discussions is valuable & necessary, not something to be avoided, and its too bad that al's cattiness made ppl think there's something wrong with it

yeah i'm not saying that i'm wary of ppl making up fake arguments -- it's more of a "anecdotes are like assholes..." thing

ive never furthered an argument that claimed my personal experience was universal

at least, since high school

anyway im interested in wiz's concert bookings from a year ago prior to bny

wiz sold out the 835 capacity venue here last may in less than a week

xp well, i can actually help you there.
last nov he sold out 800+ nyc but it was on a bill with a lotta other folks.

haha holy shit at this long drawn out convo about who's more popular. Wiz totally is -- was before "Black & Yellow" dropped but that definitely has widened the gap a bit

and i say that as someone who doesn't actively check for either of them but hears about them both a lot

deej has a point about his unexpected popularity though: two editors at the student paper (one of whom is a white Colombian kid lol) were shocked that I knew about Curren$y. They'd loved his mixtapes for months.

You're a music critic, Al, that's hardly representative of the average rap fan. And they're writers of the student paper, thus much more likely to know this kind of stuff, too.

I should have said: these guys do not really follow music at all except for hip-hop. The Colombian dude is -- heh -- recording an EP over the break.

alfred, wiz is playing a free show outside at UM tonight. you think you can get us a headcount?

herby colombian white

haha holy shit at this long drawn out convo about who's more popular. Wiz totally is -- was before "Black & Yellow" dropped but that definitely has widened the gap a bit

― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, December 3, 2010 5:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what are u basing it on? i agree after bny that wiz pulled ahead (& the numbers bear this out obv)

i still think curren$y is about as popular as one can possibly get while still being 'underground'

i think his national appeal should also not be underestimated -- hes decidedly not a regional artist

& finally, any crowd that jumped on wiz for 'say yeah' has to be minute at best -- he doesnt even play that at his shows now, and when he says "im about to take it back!!!" he still performs songs that came out after "say yeah"

i still think curren$y is about as popular as one can possibly get while still being 'underground'

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 6:56 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark

isn't tech n9ne the standard bearer for this? curren$y isn't going platinum any time soon

i don't think anyone cares about "say yeah" but us

altho maybe he thinks it's corny

"say yeah" got some (not much) airplay here

alfred, wiz is playing a free show outside at UM tonight. you think you can get us a headcount?

why would I when I can get laid?

take one for the team

curren$y isn't going platinum any time soon

how many rappers are?

tech n9ne apparently!

what??

The album sold 17,000 copies in its first week and 5,000 copies during its second. Record sales reached upwards of 22,000 copies in only 2 weeks.

thats techn9ne's last record

lol @ "only"

take one for the team

Thirteen years and counting

The album debuted at number 14 on the Billboard 200 selling 30,326 copies in its first week.[9]

thats his 09 record

n/m i got confused -- tech n9ne scanned his millionth album w/ 'killer'

i thought the whole album went platinum independently

regardless, talking about billboard numbers is grade-A stupid & pointless in this debate.

that's the problem tho w/ these arguments is that if we can't rely on what little quantitative numbers that we have, it's just one person's word vs the other's & it's hard to find the opposite argument to be legitimate

btw i'm not sticking by the thing about tech n9ne being more popular than curren$y

haha holy shit at this long drawn out convo about who's more popular. Wiz totally is -- was before "Black & Yellow" dropped but that definitely has widened the gap a bit

― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, December 3, 2010 5:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what are u basing it on? i agree after bny that wiz pulled ahead (& the numbers bear this out obv)

i still think curren$y is about as popular as one can possibly get while still being 'underground'

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 7:56 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm basing it on how much i hear about Wiz from rap guys i know IRL or on twitter, how often he does big sold out shows in the area, other stuff like Wiz being on the official remix to a huge Trey Songz single even before "Black & Yellow" was even out. Wiz & Curren$y are definitely both pretty popular together and individually but it feels very clear whose mainstream profile is higher.

i dunno i think this debate has actually fleshed out a better idea of how popular these dudes are, i feel 'more informed' having participated

me too, just saying

i wonder why curren$y isn't touring -- obvi if wiz keeps up a consistent tour schedule thats going to affect things too

i think wiz is probably also easier to rap along with

i mean, curren$y is touring, but why he isnt doing wiz-style national touring

i mean hes gotta be bigger then effin nipsey hussle

yeah probably

should have a x < y < z < a < b < c argument about which middleweight rappers are more popular than others

we haven't incorporated youtube views into this debate yet lol

i wonder why curren$y isn't touring -- obvi if wiz keeps up a consistent tour schedule thats going to affect things too

i think wiz is probably also easier to rap along with

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 6:07 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yes, entirely. This is a big part of his appeal vs Curren$y. Doesn't make him a better rapper, but it counts for a lot.