"black and yellow" has been doing consistently higher on the sales chart than the airplay chart tho.
― The Reverend, Friday, December 3, 2010 4:44 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i was talking about lp sales
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't see how this is true at all, but okay
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:44 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude half of wiz's tapes were recorded with currensy
wiz's first appearances were probably on currensy tapes -- wiz's original fanbase migrating from currensy's, not the other way around
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
When did Curren$y have a sort of hit?
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
ren: i was talking about curren$y.
and "where the cash at" wasn't any less of a hit than "say yeah" was for wiz.
― The Reverend, Friday, 3 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
okay i just dropped a line to someone who knows who told me that wiz sold out best buy theater in nyc (about 2100) so yeah, i'm really wrong about that apparently.currensy did a recent ny gig and they managed about 500
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
first popular appearances i should say -- obvi he was rapping on local tapes before that
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
btw deej did touch on something that we overlooked but definitely has a ton to do w/ this and that's that wiz has sex appeal -- i think he probably has tons more female fans than curren$y has -- he has that star appeal but also a safeness about him that could appeal to a large audience
curren$y is just a dude that raps -- a dude that raps great of course, but still
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
forks evidence is what i'm talking about
Nipsey Hussle with Curren$y ... Fri, Dec 3 Roseland Theater, Portland ...Curren$y and Nipsey Hussle ... Wed, Dec 8 El Rey Theatre, Los Angeles ...Curren$y at Rialto Theatre Fri, Dec 10 Rialto Theatre, Tucson, AZ, US
whats the size on these venues
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
how many seats does the metro in chicago have
yeah, chicks dig wiz for sure
― The Reverend, Friday, 3 December 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
was that 2100 show after black and yellow hit
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
chicks dig both ime
i didn't want to bring up my anecdote cuz i don't find anecdotes to be particularly useful in these types of arguments (cuz it brings us into 'my world of young people' stuff) but wiz sold out the biggest venue in my school in like less than a week LAST SEMESTER & when i went to the facebook events page all the comments were "omg!!!" type shit from girls
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
ill give a pass on the LA show for including nipsey
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
wiz did a fairly good size sold out show in portland at the beginning of september (before black and yellow took off).
― The Reverend, Friday, 3 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
el rey has a capacity of 700
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
the wiz show at nokia was november 13 so yeah.
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
and it was sold out like a week before the show.
― The Reverend, Friday, 3 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
er, best buy i mean. they changed names.
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
this is sort of an abstract point, but wiz found it profitable & sensible enough to turn down a spot opening for drake's tour -- i think that speaks to the size & strength of his fanbase right now
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:49 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark
um theres nothing wrong with 'in my world of young people' and i dont understand what you're actually criticizing about it, because youre bringing it up for the same reason i was ... its an effective way of explaining to ppl how things are outside the ilx bubble?? if one of you would like to break down the fallacy of 'in my world of young ppl' id appreciate it though.
the only explanation i see is 'whiney is insecure'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I want Wiz to come up here.
I think that's a very good point, J0rdan.
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i pushed hard for $ummer$tage to book wiz and curren$y and we likely coulda got em right around the time they were really starting to pop too...
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't like 'in my word of young ppl' arguments because theoretically i could make any shit up about my world of young ppl to support my argument & no one could actually verify it's truthfulness -- also sample sizes
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
sold out wiz show in portland: sept. 10th, 1480 capacity
― The Reverend, Friday, 3 December 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i only brought up my wiz anecdote because it supported forks hard numbers
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
or rather, it was supported by forks hard numbers
no perspective but our own perspective, y'know? I'm not trying to cop like i have DEEP KNOWLEDGE from working in the field. Anecdotal quickly turns into fait accompli especially when you hear it often enough.
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:53 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
right, it relies on us trusting that the other person isnt being disingenuous, and i would trust most of you dudes to explain honest anecdotes. its one thing to use it statistically, as if it represents broad popularity, but if you're just using it as supporting evidence that ilx =/= the world i dont see any problem with it
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
(tho to be fair, i really do have DEEP KNOWLEDGE from working in the field)
but my anecdotal, and jordan's, was used to imply there is truth outside of received wisdom, not to create more received wisdom. its about critique, not creation of myth
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Jo$eph Campbell - The Hero with A Thousand Big Faces
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
imo, ppl bringing their own real world perspectives to these discussions is valuable & necessary, not something to be avoided, and its too bad that al's cattiness made ppl think there's something wrong with it
yeah i'm not saying that i'm wary of ppl making up fake arguments -- it's more of a "anecdotes are like assholes..." thing
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
ive never furthered an argument that claimed my personal experience was universal
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
at least, since high school
anyway im interested in wiz's concert bookings from a year ago prior to bny
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
wiz sold out the 835 capacity venue here last may in less than a week
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
xp well, i can actually help you there.last nov he sold out 800+ nyc but it was on a bill with a lotta other folks.
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
haha holy shit at this long drawn out convo about who's more popular. Wiz totally is -- was before "Black & Yellow" dropped but that definitely has widened the gap a bit
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
and i say that as someone who doesn't actively check for either of them but hears about them both a lot
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
deej has a point about his unexpected popularity though: two editors at the student paper (one of whom is a white Colombian kid lol) were shocked that I knew about Curren$y. They'd loved his mixtapes for months.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
You're a music critic, Al, that's hardly representative of the average rap fan. And they're writers of the student paper, thus much more likely to know this kind of stuff, too.
― altered boners (rennavate), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I should have said: these guys do not really follow music at all except for hip-hop. The Colombian dude is -- heh -- recording an EP over the break.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
alfred, wiz is playing a free show outside at UM tonight. you think you can get us a headcount?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
herby colombian white
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Friday, December 3, 2010 5:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what are u basing it on? i agree after bny that wiz pulled ahead (& the numbers bear this out obv)
i still think curren$y is about as popular as one can possibly get while still being 'underground'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think his national appeal should also not be underestimated -- hes decidedly not a regional artist