curren$y (or currensy i guess) - pilot talk

i mean look - if these dudes are memorizing wiz lyrics surely they have the countless tracks where wiz & curren$y record together & tag-team verses? do they really think hes 'just some guy'?

i concede that, if you just know black n yellow, you may not know currensy

but i think curren$y has the exact same success in terms of being seen as an 'album artist'

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this is only mildly true, but wrt this argument, wiz's mixtapes built a fanbase that made it possible to make a hit like "black & yellow" -- curren$y is an actual album artist in that he'll never have a 'hit single'

i dont feel like there are many fans out there who know/love wiz but dont know curren$y

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 2:39 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, but his audience is starting to expand beyond just rap fans whereas currensy's is not.

so their success as 'album artists' is not exact

Sometimes I feel like "album artist" is a euphemism for "can't write a hit."

this is only mildly true, but wrt this argument, wiz's mixtapes built a fanbase that made it possible to make a hit like "black & yellow" -- curren$y is an actual album artist in that he'll never have a 'hit single'

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:41 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

curren$y's mixtapes built that exact same fanbase!! this is what im saying.

xp i agree rev

this argument is what happens when mp3 downloading destroys the billboard chart popularity representations :(

Sometimes I feel like "album artist" is a euphemism for "can't write a hit."

― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:42 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no? its for 'fans memorize more songs than the singles' -- wiz is an 'album artist' too, to his fans

this is only mildly true, but wrt this argument, wiz's mixtapes built a fanbase that made it possible to make a hit like "black & yellow" -- curren$y is an actual album artist in that he'll never have a 'hit single'

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 2:41 PM Bookmark

There's nothing stopping him from having hit singles other than his lack of ambition to do so. Like I said before, he already had a minor hit anyway.

like, as minor a hit as you can literally have

I don't mean in this instance, deej, just sometimes.

like, as minor a hit as you can literally have

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 3:43 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark

Still more than Curren$y.

this argument is what happens when mp3 downloading destroys the billboard chart popularity representations :(

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, December 3, 2010 2:42 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"black and yellow" has been doing consistently higher on the sales chart than the airplay chart tho.

southern radio was playing any old shit w/ wayne on it in 06

curren$y's mixtapes built that exact same fanbase!!

i don't see how this is true at all, but okay

anyway i concede that wiz may have finally surpassed currensy but i maintain absolutely that currensy is much more popular than you guys make him out to be & has almost the exact same fanbase, sans the pop fans who jumped on board for black & yellow. i do concede wiz has a higher ceiling of star potential

Still more than Curren$y.

― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:44 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark

no i was talking about curren$y -- wiz's hit is legit -- i think dude is gonna be like the minaj of 2011

"black and yellow" has been doing consistently higher on the sales chart than the airplay chart tho.

― The Reverend, Friday, December 3, 2010 4:44 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i was talking about lp sales

i don't see how this is true at all, but okay

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:44 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude half of wiz's tapes were recorded with currensy

wiz's first appearances were probably on currensy tapes -- wiz's original fanbase migrating from currensy's, not the other way around

When did Curren$y have a sort of hit?

ren: i was talking about curren$y.

and "where the cash at" wasn't any less of a hit than "say yeah" was for wiz.

okay i just dropped a line to someone who knows who told me that wiz sold out best buy theater in nyc (about 2100)
so yeah, i'm really wrong about that apparently.
currensy did a recent ny gig and they managed about 500

first popular appearances i should say -- obvi he was rapping on local tapes before that

btw deej did touch on something that we overlooked but definitely has a ton to do w/ this and that's that wiz has sex appeal -- i think he probably has tons more female fans than curren$y has -- he has that star appeal but also a safeness about him that could appeal to a large audience

curren$y is just a dude that raps -- a dude that raps great of course, but still

forks evidence is what i'm talking about

Nipsey Hussle with Curren$y ... Fri, Dec 3 Roseland Theater, Portland ...
Curren$y and Nipsey Hussle ... Wed, Dec 8 El Rey Theatre, Los Angeles ...
Curren$y at Rialto Theatre Fri, Dec 10 Rialto Theatre, Tucson, AZ, US

whats the size on these venues

how many seats does the metro in chicago have

yeah, chicks dig wiz for sure

was that 2100 show after black and yellow hit

chicks dig both ime

i didn't want to bring up my anecdote cuz i don't find anecdotes to be particularly useful in these types of arguments (cuz it brings us into 'my world of young people' stuff) but wiz sold out the biggest venue in my school in like less than a week LAST SEMESTER & when i went to the facebook events page all the comments were "omg!!!" type shit from girls

ill give a pass on the LA show for including nipsey

wiz did a fairly good size sold out show in portland at the beginning of september (before black and yellow took off).

el rey has a capacity of 700

the wiz show at nokia was november 13 so yeah.

and it was sold out like a week before the show.

er, best buy i mean. they changed names.

this is sort of an abstract point, but wiz found it profitable & sensible enough to turn down a spot opening for drake's tour -- i think that speaks to the size & strength of his fanbase right now

i didn't want to bring up my anecdote cuz i don't find anecdotes to be particularly useful in these types of arguments (cuz it brings us into 'my world of young people' stuff) but wiz sold out the biggest venue in my school in like less than a week LAST SEMESTER & when i went to the facebook events page all the comments were "omg!!!" type shit from girls

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:49 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark

um theres nothing wrong with 'in my world of young people' and i dont understand what you're actually criticizing about it, because youre bringing it up for the same reason i was ... its an effective way of explaining to ppl how things are outside the ilx bubble?? if one of you would like to break down the fallacy of 'in my world of young ppl' id appreciate it though.

the only explanation i see is 'whiney is insecure'

I want Wiz to come up here.

I think that's a very good point, J0rdan.

i pushed hard for $ummer$tage to book wiz and curren$y and we likely coulda got em right around the time they were really starting to pop too...

um theres nothing wrong with 'in my world of young people' and i dont understand what you're actually criticizing about it, because youre bringing it up for the same reason i was ... its an effective way of explaining to ppl how things are outside the ilx bubble?? if one of you would like to break down the fallacy of 'in my world of young ppl' id appreciate it though.

i don't like 'in my word of young ppl' arguments because theoretically i could make any shit up about my world of young ppl to support my argument & no one could actually verify it's truthfulness -- also sample sizes

sold out wiz show in portland: sept. 10th, 1480 capacity

i only brought up my wiz anecdote because it supported forks hard numbers

or rather, it was supported by forks hard numbers

no perspective but our own perspective, y'know? I'm not trying to cop like i have DEEP KNOWLEDGE from working in the field. Anecdotal quickly turns into fait accompli especially when you hear it often enough.

i don't like 'in my word of young ppl' arguments because theoretically i could make any shit up about my world of young ppl to support my argument & no one could actually verify it's truthfulness -- also sample sizes

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:53 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

right, it relies on us trusting that the other person isnt being disingenuous, and i would trust most of you dudes to explain honest anecdotes. its one thing to use it statistically, as if it represents broad popularity, but if you're just using it as supporting evidence that ilx =/= the world i dont see any problem with it

(tho to be fair, i really do have DEEP KNOWLEDGE from working in the field)

but my anecdotal, and jordan's, was used to imply there is truth outside of received wisdom, not to create more received wisdom. its about critique, not creation of myth

Jo$eph Campbell - The Hero with A Thousand Big Faces

imo, ppl bringing their own real world perspectives to these discussions is valuable & necessary, not something to be avoided, and its too bad that al's cattiness made ppl think there's something wrong with it