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It's only now that I've noticed his hotness since his other movies have been mostly appalling.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I gotta say I'm not interested in this movie at all, and am surprised much of mainstream America is. I can see gay cowboys walking down the street any day of the week, and have found Ang Lee to be a pretty unreliable and unforgiveably mawkish director - the combo sounds boring and, er, flaccid...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I can see gay cowboys walking down the street any day of the week

I forgot you lived in Miami.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Unfortunately the combo in the movie is (boring and) flaccid too.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"I forgot you lived in Miami."

close - San Francisco.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I forgot you lived in Daly City.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Soto's the one who lives in Miami!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

The best gay cowboys ever were in that one scene in Collateral.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

It's pretty much been all downhill for gay cowboys since that moment on.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Soto's the one who lives in Miami!

I forgot you lived in Rockford.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

My cousin lives in Miami and he thinks that San Francisco is Miami's polar opposite.

What a bunch of crap.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I love cuban breakfasts though. We need more of those.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm also an admirer of Morris Lapidus.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

and Trick Daddy, of course.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

and the early 90s Dolphins color scheme.

And some bits of Scarface.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

The scarred bits, right?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

man I wish I knew a decent Cuban place in SF - the best ones I've eaten at were in LA...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The closest thing to gay cowboys we got in Miami walk the streets on Halloween.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Gyllenhaal has such bizarre, oversized features.

Aw yeah.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 30 December 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"guess who's coming to dinner" really isn't as bad as ppl say it is.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 30 December 2005 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Except Tracy makes me cry in the last scene -- cuz he's talking about him & Hepburn in real life -- and this one kept my eyes dry. (It's more like the tragic sodomite Same Time Next Year.)

Lotsa dull dull domestic melodrama, and there's hardly any carnality (or eroticism) in it after the spit-lube. The way the next-to-last scene with the daughter panders to the hetero 'mainstream' made me kinda ill. Bet the Best Picture Oscar, and I wonder if Heath will keep up the Novocaine Mouth in his acceptance speech.

Boys with that brand of bizarre, oversized features can crawl in my tent too.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The way the next-to-last scene with the daughter panders to the hetero 'mainstream' made me kinda ill

Wow. I know the scene is not in the story, but any scene as well-played as that one (Kate Mara gives the film's least heralded good performance) works just fine.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I also thought Shouty Jake (ie, the last monologue) was not particularly successful.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Soto, can i read yr review.
I just sent a discussion of this and mr and mrs smith to jump cut in montreal.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr Morbius plainly hates good acting.

Anthony: you got mail.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think this was a gay film at all. It was a conventional "women's picture". It has the same appeal to the same audience as A River Runs Through It, The Horse Whisperer etc etc. It's all about hunky, tough yet sensitive guys who don't say much. The buttsex angle is something of a red herring.

Compare/contrast slash fiction, written and read almost exclusively by heterosexual women.

dream logic, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think this was a gay film at all. It was a conventional "women's picture".

I agree, but a rather cold one. It reminded a bit of a Douglas Sirk picture: kitsch redeemed thanks to the director's tonal control.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Here are two statements that I did not understand!

Apparently Michelle Williams may be 'acting' off the set much like Katie Holmes, IF you know what I mean...

-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...), November 10th, 2005.


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You guys realize if there's any pudding in this film, it'll be the strawman indie film as outlined by Cartman in South Park?
-- mike h. (m...), November 10th, 2005.

Can anyone translate, or explain?


the pinefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe the interesting thing is the way the gayness otherwise lets the film totally off the hook, and allows the leads to be in every other way conventional when it comes to gender role models. It'd be hard to imagine a movie these days where the leads were such conservative unreconstructed "real men", and yet where the target audience was "liberal" rather than "red state".

dream logic, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Ultimately, what this film lets women do is pull off a Houdini trick where they can fantasise about "real men", while not having to buy into everything else that goes with the "real man" ethos, because of the gayness of it.

dream logic, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man, if only Ang Lee had half of Sirk's passion (or looniness).

xpost
Unsubsantiated rumor: MW and HL's coupling (and child) is a front for his gay/bisexuality.

South Park's Cartman once defined 'independent film' as movies about gay cowboys eating pudding.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

But they do eat a lot of beans.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Dr Morbius - now I understand, at least more than I did.

People are so often unwilling to explain things these days.

the bellefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I like your review too, Alfred, esp the puke-Proust line. You do pick a considerable number of flaws for an A-, but I guess the virtues carried more weight for you than me. I'd have preferred the spare, 95-minute film this could have been ... because the female characters AREN'T IMPORTANT. The McMurtrys are guilty of major bloat by adaptation.

(I saw a ref to Ang Lee referring to The Last Picture Show as a different kind of male-male romance that inspired him, so our Jeff Bridges-Dennis Quaid fantasy version could be within reach. You get the time machine, I'll work on convincing Proulx to write it when we get to 1979.)

Nude Jack washing Ennis' shirt by the river is one of the most erotic scene in the film (and Most Likely to Freeze Frame).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

It took my second viewing to realize it was indeed Ennis' shirt that Jack was watching.

My Fave Erotic Moment: Jack, quietly licking his lips and barely able to keep his hands off Ennis, during his surprise visit after learning about the divorce -- more evidence that Hot Jake was as much up to the physical acting challenges as Ledger.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

because the female characters AREN'T IMPORTANT

They are, to contrast marriage, babies, the hearth, all the domestic shit that in the film's ideology make men less manly, and the homoerotic romance of wide open spaces, mountains, rivers and the world of "real men".

jz, Monday, 2 January 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the wives are vital!! they probelmatize a competely queer reading, they hetreosexualise the discourse.

(Am will now shit down my throat_)

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not surprised that it's not showing in Tupelo, but apparently it's not even showing in Memphis yet.

truck-patch pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

jz -- yeah, sort of, but I didn't say they shouldn't be there -- but doubling or tripling their presence compared to the story was done for the reason, I suspect, reflected in James Schamus' pronouncement to Ang Lee that straight women were the target audience.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, you're probably right. And so is Schamus, the target is clearly straight women since it's a rather conservative romance, once you take out the gay element. It's the traditional sort of love-across the barriers genre, but where those barriers are usually class or colour or nationality, here it's gender. But the film is ultimately problematic for the female viewer because it's asking viewers to buy into a conservative vision of homosexuality, more current in the male gay world of the forties or fifties, where women are seen as the competition or the enemy, femininity is not valued, and the idealised world of pure masculinity is one in which women don't have a role to play.

jz, Monday, 2 January 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw it yesterday and was dissappointed.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the wives are vital!! they probelmatize a competely queer reading, they hetreosexualise the discourse.

if they're so vital, then their parts could have been written as more than blank stereotypes. there was so little to them that i just found them distracting. michelle williams got a little more to work with and did fairly well, but anne hathaway had about 20 minutes of screen time total and could barely act her way through what few scenes she had.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Hathaway has even muddied the denouement for some folks, who are not sure if her robotic phone recitation is the character or her.

Bloggerific WFMU DJ Mark Allen's take (scroll to 12/14) -- has anybody ever heard "stemmin' the rose" before btw?:

http://www.markallencam.com/toptenoftheweek.html


"In their first encounter in the tent, with all the spastic pushing, slap-punching, violent face-butting and pants-ripping, Ledger and Gyllenhaal display the intimacy of a pair of drunken paraplegics fighting over the last belt buckle at a Western Wear closing sale."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

anne hathaway had about 20 minutes of screen time total and could barely act her way through what few scenes she had.

This is, of course, quite incorrect.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Cowboys Are My Weakness

By LARRY DAVID
Published: January 1, 2006

SOMEBODY had to write this, and it might as well be me. I haven't seen "Brokeback Mountain," nor do I have any intention of seeing it. In fact, cowboys would have to lasso me, drag me into the theater and tie me to the seat, and even then I would make every effort to close my eyes and cover my ears.

And I love gay people. Hey, I've got gay acquaintances. Good acquaintances, who know they can call me anytime if they had my phone number. I'm for gay marriage, gay divorce, gay this and gay that. I just don't want to watch two straight men, alone on the prairie, fall in love and kiss and hug and hold hands and whatnot. That's all.

Is that so terrible? Does that mean I'm homophobic? And if I am, well, then that's too bad. Because you can call me any name you want, but I'm still not going to that movie.

To my surprise, I have some straight friends who've not only seen the movie but liked it. "One of the best love stories ever," one gushed. Another went on, "Oh, my God, you completely forget that it's two men. You in particular will love it."

"Why me?"

"You just will, trust me."

But I don't trust him. If two cowboys, male icons who are 100 percent all-man, can succumb, what chance to do I have, half- to a quarter of a man, depending on whom I'm with at the time? I'm a very susceptible person, easily influenced, a natural-born follower with no sales-resistance. When I walk into a store, clerks wrestle one another trying to get to me first. My wife won't let me watch infomercials because of all the junk I've ordered that's now piled up in the garage. My medicine cabinet is filled with vitamins and bald cures.

So who's to say I won't become enamored with the whole gay business? Let's face it, there is some appeal there. I know I've always gotten along great with men. I never once paced in my room rehearsing what to say before asking a guy if he wanted to go to the movies. And I generally don't pay for men, which of course is their most appealing attribute.

And gay guys always seem like they're having a great time. At the Christmas party I went to, they were the only ones who sang. Boy that looked like fun. I would love to sing, but this weighty, self-conscious heterosexuality I'm saddled with won't permit it.

I just know if I saw that movie, the voice inside my head that delights in torturing me would have a field day. "You like those cowboys, don't you? They're kind of cute. Go ahead, admit it, they're cute. You can't fool me, gay man. Go ahead, stop fighting it. You're gay! You're gay!"

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Larry David appears in the HBO series "Curb Your Enthusiasm."

I GUARONTEE ::cajun voice:: (Adrian Langston), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Hathaway has even muddied the denouement for some folks, who are not sure if her robotic phone recitation is the character or her.

Stephanie Zancharek, whose negative review I otherwise accept, remarked that Anne Hathaway was poorly directed -- a ridiculous assertion.

Mark Allen writes:

In a heartbreaking scene where Lureen [Anne Hathaway] is telling Ennis an obviously made-up story of how her husband died, she's shown reciting the tall tale over the phone in a bored monotone, perched in a gorgeous all-white living room, dripping in silver, turquoise and platinum mile-high hair... any look of emotion on her face obscured by mountains of Mary Kay.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I did not have that big a problem with A.H., just the role. I couldn't imagine there's any mistaking the intent of the phone scene, but one look at some gay discussion boards reveals exactly what decades of Television Brain Rot can cost some folks.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Care to post a link to one of those threads, good doctor?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Eh, you'd hafta slog through too much vapidity -- I wouldn't recommend it! Like, gay sports fans?

http://www.outsports.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=002660


(the later pages, obv)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link


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