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I *do* like a *lot* of jazz-rock and avant-jazz so the more trad/pure forms are but a few weeks' concerted effort away

For relatively "trad" then yeah, Mingus is unimpeachable.

cool! :)

you all have to listen to more jazz-rock in exchange tho. like moon in june.

I used to love Weather Report. Does that count?

Would recommend Mingus too. I think he was the only non-vocal jazzer to make my list in the end.

do you also mean jazz rock like steely dan, louis? :)

I'd recommend Jimmy Smith too. Organ-based jazz gets snubbed too often, but The Sermon! is amazing.

The genuine avant-garde isn't getting any sort of a look-in.

― gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Wednesday, December 1, 2010 4:38 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

the genuine avant-garde is toss is the thing

i went to such annoying pains to clarify the sort of art-pop i meant precisely because the phrase can describe so many different things

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I think Mingus Ah Um was the first "proper" jazz record I got into. Something about the structure and feel of the compositions has a crossover appeal greater than even Miles or Trane have imo.

Another good one is Larry Young "Unity".

Hope this thread serves as an example why ilxor threads need multiple pages. the scrolling is getting fucking ridiculous

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"the genuine avant-garde" - I don't think you can throw the term around and assume anyone else has the same idea of what it means. Are we talking about UK Funky?

Get the following albums:

Billie Holiday - Songs for Distingué Lovers
Brigitte Fontaine & Art Ensemble of Chicago - Comme à la radio
Charles Mingus - Migus Ah Um
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady
Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus
John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman - John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman
Krzysztof Komeda - Astigmatic
Miles Davis - In A Silent Way
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - The Inflated Tear
Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds

That's a good list! The Brigitte Fontaine is nuts but only tangentially jazz, I'd say - I was thinking earlier I would have voted for the title track if it had been nominated.

AND Jimmy Smith - The Sermon!

my bridge for getting seriously into jazz was 'hot rats' even though it's a fusion-y affair. that album really made my jaw drop.

And some Bill Evans, and Ornette Coleman...we're getting back to the overload that LJ was complaining about in the first place. Just listen to Mingus Ah Um and get back to us.

i went to such annoying pains to clarify the sort of art-pop i meant precisely because the phrase can describe so many different things

― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:06 (14 minutes ago)

yeah I know, and I said I didn't think an enormous deal of most of those bands in an art context

thanks everyone! will do so

'Jimmy Smith' reminds me that there were no Jimmy Scott tunes nommed for this poll. For shame.

also I don't rly mean like Steely Dan (although I may well end up getting into them), I mean like Shining, Zorn or Saccharine Trust :P

That's a good list! The Brigitte Fontaine is nuts but only tangentially jazz, I'd say - I was thinking earlier I would have voted for the title track if it had been nominated.

― seandalai

Yes maybe you're right... always thought of it as some sort of chamber pop jazz thing and I have it laying around with my other jazz records since I have no idea where else to classify it... perhaps 'les stances a sophie' is a better recommendation.

Here are a few more favorites:

Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchidananda
Art Blakey - Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers [Moanin']
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Larry Young - Lawrence of Newark
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Horace Silver - Song for My Father
Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream

i second those thelonious monk and a. coltrane records in a big way.

I haven't saved my vote, but I believe I voted for these so far:

119. 10CC "I'm Not in Love" (1975) [1,167 points, 12 votes]
115. THE BEACH BOYS "Surf's Up" (1971) [1,184 points, 10 votes]
109. KATE BUSH "Wuthering Heights" (1978) [1,197 points, 13 votes]
89. THE BEATLES "Penny Lane" (1967) [1,290 points, 11 votes]
76. DAVID BOWIE "Life on Mars?" (1973) [1,336 points, 13 votes]
71. THE ZOMBIES "Care of Cell 44" (1968) [1,355 points, 13 votes]
67. YES "Close to the Edge" (1972) [1,386 points, 12 votes]
60. RADIOHEAD "Paranoid Android" (1997) [1,417 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote]
56. THE BEACH BOYS "Wouldn't it Be Nice" (1966) [1,460 points, 12 votes]

Kinda surprised that, other than Kraftwerk, nothing close to synthpop is in the last so far. I guess "Enjoy The Silence" and "Don't You Want Me" may both be in the Top 50 though.

Pet Shop Boys aren't synth-pop?

I call 'em that.

Geir, I just sent your ballot via ilx mail if you care to have it.

Some late responses:

Re: "Sinnerman", I first heard a Bob Dylan version, which was great (where did I hear it? A cursory google's not helping), but the Nina Simone kills. When it appeared at the end of Inland Empire, my whole body froze and I welled up tbh.

9 of my votes showed up, btw, yet regrets? I have a few...

Dr Who, Johnny Cash, as I may have already mentioned, but also (since) Queen and Bowie, "Águas de Março". The latter is exquisite, and I did pay attention on the campaigning thread, but then forgot about it. Elis Regina fans can now kick me.

And as a few others have mentioned, I would have voted "Joga" higher than (and probably in place of) "Hyperballad", so I think Björk might have benefited from different nominations there.

Oh, and as the person who nominated it, I agree "Awaken" is better than "Close to the Edge"!

i didn't vote but just noticed that my two favourite sons ever were both nominated, will be interested to see if either appears

amidst all this jazz talk I would like LJ to know that I voted for THREE Alice Coltrane songs in this poll. Looks like none will place though.

I've been totally cool w/ the representatives of mid-century jazz on the board. Others otm about Mingus having too many tracks on the list. Could Louie still make it, I wonder? Pretty sure Jellyroll will get snubbed (and for that reason, I snubbed him!) & I think Tito Puente was another who didn't even surface on the nom list. What about Duke Ellington? Prob no T. Monk either..

imo the real glaring oversight of these results has been the complete lack thusfar of any of the old bluesmen. Mississippi, Chicago, Detroit - really any of them. I know those guys are probably at the core of whatever kneejerk anti-rockist sentiment might linger around these parts, but surely they do not deserve to be shut out wholesale?

any thoughts on the chances of "iko iko" making it at this point? fuckin 'yackety sax' better be up there somewhere or I quit ilx!

sons

songs obv

I voted for both Iko Iko and Yakety Sax. I can't comment, though.

Also, I voted for a few old bluesmen, but I also can't comment.

Also voted for some blues.

i'm really curious about what dylan is still left in the mix. it would be extremely refreshing to see the likes of either 'visions of johanna' or 'it's all over now, baby blue' being acknowledged as his most vital track, but i fear my thinking may be of the wishful variety in that regard.

i voted positively 4th street. list is really really 70s focused, but am happy so many people are giving regina and jobim love, bcz aguas de marco is the best song ever.

shit i prob shouldn't mention what i actually voted for, but i really dont think it's making the top 50

Pet Shop Boys aren't synth-pop?

Pet Shop Boys became synthpop in 1990 IMO. Has to do with analogue vs. digital synths. They didn't use analogue ones until then.

That seems like nitpicking.

I don't think analogue synths are in themselves a signifier of synth-pop.

haha

Being Boring is still going to place, right?

Pet Shop Boys became synthpop in 1990 IMO. Has to do with analogue vs. digital synths. They didn't use analogue ones until then.

Pretty sure they didn't use any after 1990 either.

i can't tell who is taking the piss anymore but PSB used an extensive array of analogue and digital synths

this is why there was once a startrekman

before he got all loosey-goosey

I'll veto myself from ILM if not at least one of the following places:

Human League - Being Boiled
Marlena Shaw — The Woman of the Ghetto
The Normal — Warm Leatherette
Gang of Four - Damaged Goods

God, I hope "The Woman of the Ghetto" still has a chance. It was my #4 vote, in my opinion it's the best soul song of all time, even beating than anything that Curtis Mayfield or Donny Hathaway or Aretha Franklin ever did.

like "woman of the ghetto" but don't get the ecstasies, certainly wouldn't hold it up over the best of curtis, aretha, etc. good song though, gets awesome in the 2nd half. for ref:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXJx2NnnxA0&feature=related

christ just the last 40 seconds alone. that this was not nominated seems criminal to me.

^ really, if you've not heard it (imaginary not hearing it person), the last 40 seconds, listen to them