ILM POLLS THE 20TH CENTURY'S BEST TRACKS ››› YOUR RESULTS THREAD ‹‹‹

Yeah, sorry, realised it was overly snipey after hitting submit. But it was something I was thinking about myself, to be honest, with all the talk of 'art pop' being bandied about on the thread. It seems to be losing all meaning it may ever have had.

Also, I'm kicking myself for not voting for PUTP.

I have to wonder if "Pump Up the Volume" will change a life in 2010 like it did in 1987. Somehow, I think it probably would not have the same impact.

PUTV is one of those tracks I said was important because of its timing and what it represents - the whole sampling thing, in this case.

I didnt get round to voting at all, so if O Superman doesn't place I am going to cut you all out of my will.

'pump up the volume' is pretty good. i mean, i'm happy it wasn't 'pump up the jam' instead.

JF: yeah I agree with you - but thats because when it came out, there wasnt much like it around.

"Pump Up the Jam" is classic

I completely agree about 'art pop' losing its meaning, which is why I was thoroughly laying into all the 'art pop' on this thread for basically being very conventional music with a customisation! Good songs, but conventional ones. The genuine avant-garde isn't getting any sort of a look-in.

As I've said, O Superman will be top 20 (and the best thing in the top 20)

True. Aside from a little bit of sample-based rap at the time, I hadn't heard anything that had been made almost entirely from other things. And it was so beautiful and amazing and everytime I listened to it I saw stars and rainbows.

Okay, that sounds ridiculous, but "Pump Up the Volume" was pretty transformative to a 13 year-old me.

You guys are going to be so surprised when Les Rallizes Dénudés are #1!

shhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

oops

sorry to further derail but weirdo prog rock ≠ avant-garde

yes I said the avant-garde wasn't getting a look-in! god

21CSM is the most avant-garde thing so far obv

I'd say that award goes to the Doctor Who theme, especially considering it is from 1963.

I'm hoping le marteau sans maître made the top 25

ah, fair fucks xp

I cut LRD. Boo me.

And I didn't hear 'Pump Up the Volume' until after I'd been exposed to other stuff that was produced in a similar way, but it still strikes me as such an interesting and innovative piece. I have always preferred Coldcut's 'Stop That Crazy Thing' (non-vocal version), so maybe that's why I didn't put PUTV on my list.

xpost the award for most avant-garde DEFINITELY goes to the Doctor Who theme. 21CSM isn't very avant-garde at all.

91. (TIE) THE VINCE GUARALDI TRIO "Linus and Lucy" (1964) [1,282 points, 13 votes]

too low imo

If I'd realized what this actually is, I would prob have put it somewhere in or around my top ten. I can't believe that, after all these years, I still ever only knew that vaguely as the unofficial Peanuts theme.

i'd definitely say something like miles is the most avant-garde yet.

prog rock ≠ art rock
weirdo prog rock = art rock

although a classic pop song, the 10cc song is very artsy (imo)
10cc is very artsy (imo)

*Stop This Crazy Thing (xpost correcting myself)

i'd definitely say something like miles is the most avant-garde yet.

― charlie h, Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:48 (30 seconds ago)

yeah, I *do* aim to give the jazz ITT a thorough and rewarding listen - the only thing preventing me from embracing it totally is the intimidating quantity of jazz I am yet to listen to

but this will be eroded :)

i think you would like charles mingus.

"Bitches Brew" would be another entry point I think you would appreciate a lot.

just get Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy

I *do* like a *lot* of jazz-rock and avant-jazz so the more trad/pure forms are but a few weeks' concerted effort away

For relatively "trad" then yeah, Mingus is unimpeachable.

cool! :)

you all have to listen to more jazz-rock in exchange tho. like moon in june.

I used to love Weather Report. Does that count?

Would recommend Mingus too. I think he was the only non-vocal jazzer to make my list in the end.

do you also mean jazz rock like steely dan, louis? :)

I'd recommend Jimmy Smith too. Organ-based jazz gets snubbed too often, but The Sermon! is amazing.

The genuine avant-garde isn't getting any sort of a look-in.

― gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Wednesday, December 1, 2010 4:38 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

the genuine avant-garde is toss is the thing

i went to such annoying pains to clarify the sort of art-pop i meant precisely because the phrase can describe so many different things

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I think Mingus Ah Um was the first "proper" jazz record I got into. Something about the structure and feel of the compositions has a crossover appeal greater than even Miles or Trane have imo.

Another good one is Larry Young "Unity".

Hope this thread serves as an example why ilxor threads need multiple pages. the scrolling is getting fucking ridiculous

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"the genuine avant-garde" - I don't think you can throw the term around and assume anyone else has the same idea of what it means. Are we talking about UK Funky?

Get the following albums:

Billie Holiday - Songs for Distingué Lovers
Brigitte Fontaine & Art Ensemble of Chicago - Comme à la radio
Charles Mingus - Migus Ah Um
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady
Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus
John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman - John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman
Krzysztof Komeda - Astigmatic
Miles Davis - In A Silent Way
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - The Inflated Tear
Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds

That's a good list! The Brigitte Fontaine is nuts but only tangentially jazz, I'd say - I was thinking earlier I would have voted for the title track if it had been nominated.

AND Jimmy Smith - The Sermon!

my bridge for getting seriously into jazz was 'hot rats' even though it's a fusion-y affair. that album really made my jaw drop.

And some Bill Evans, and Ornette Coleman...we're getting back to the overload that LJ was complaining about in the first place. Just listen to Mingus Ah Um and get back to us.

i went to such annoying pains to clarify the sort of art-pop i meant precisely because the phrase can describe so many different things

― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:06 (14 minutes ago)

yeah I know, and I said I didn't think an enormous deal of most of those bands in an art context

thanks everyone! will do so

'Jimmy Smith' reminds me that there were no Jimmy Scott tunes nommed for this poll. For shame.

also I don't rly mean like Steely Dan (although I may well end up getting into them), I mean like Shining, Zorn or Saccharine Trust :P

That's a good list! The Brigitte Fontaine is nuts but only tangentially jazz, I'd say - I was thinking earlier I would have voted for the title track if it had been nominated.

― seandalai

Yes maybe you're right... always thought of it as some sort of chamber pop jazz thing and I have it laying around with my other jazz records since I have no idea where else to classify it... perhaps 'les stances a sophie' is a better recommendation.

Here are a few more favorites:

Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchidananda
Art Blakey - Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers [Moanin']
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Larry Young - Lawrence of Newark
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Horace Silver - Song for My Father
Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream

i second those thelonious monk and a. coltrane records in a big way.

I haven't saved my vote, but I believe I voted for these so far:

119. 10CC "I'm Not in Love" (1975) [1,167 points, 12 votes]
115. THE BEACH BOYS "Surf's Up" (1971) [1,184 points, 10 votes]
109. KATE BUSH "Wuthering Heights" (1978) [1,197 points, 13 votes]
89. THE BEATLES "Penny Lane" (1967) [1,290 points, 11 votes]
76. DAVID BOWIE "Life on Mars?" (1973) [1,336 points, 13 votes]
71. THE ZOMBIES "Care of Cell 44" (1968) [1,355 points, 13 votes]
67. YES "Close to the Edge" (1972) [1,386 points, 12 votes]
60. RADIOHEAD "Paranoid Android" (1997) [1,417 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote]
56. THE BEACH BOYS "Wouldn't it Be Nice" (1966) [1,460 points, 12 votes]