Crass: C or D?

i don't think its better. even had my qualms about that double live conflict album way back when. they did crass songs with steve on that. didn't they? but, you know, whatever, my standard line is that people, obviously, can do whatever they want. didn't see any of the subhumans reunion shows either. i'm sure its all fun for people.

You mean Turning Rebellion Into Money, yeah they did Crass songs on that. Steve Ig was in Conflict at the time.

I don't really see what the problem is tbh. He isn't performing *as* Crass. They're (partly) his songs and he can do what he wants with them afaic.

I mean over the last decade have been to Conflict, Subhumans, Flux Of Pink Indians, Disrupters, Zounds, Rubella Ballet, Lost Cherrees etc etc reunion gigs and will probably end up going to this as well.

his other band played live, right? scharzenegger? i'm sure they must have done crass songs in their set. see, that seems perfectly fine with me. like if dick pulled out some subhumans songs at a citizen fish show.

love steve in the pub in that crass documentary. love him, in general.

co sign

i think if you are into it, it's fine. its not like i have a big problem. i went and saw the pretty things and mission of burma and chameleons over the years. it's just...you know, crass ended things so poetically. and they are crass. its just kinda anti-crass.

do they owe us a reunion?
course they facking do

i like steve in that too but i side w/ penny rimbaud on this in that its pretty lame. reminds me of the d.k. tour sans jello or jerry only's misfits

maybe ending things was un-crass-y tho, like crass is a feeling and it can just carry on at will?

i sang tube disaster on stage with nausea once. thats as close as i came to a flux show.

I think Stratford Mercenaries did a couple of Crass songs, the band he had after Schwarzeneggar.

Citizen Fish and the Subhumans are pretty much the same band! One different member iirc?

Anyway we are ignoring the big anarcho issue at the moment, which is Colin Jerwood allegedly ripping off royalties from Crass via the above live album! Ooh err.

i just want PENIS ENVY: THE MUSICAL

lyle preslar's minor threat

left wing SBs right wing SBs all the fucking same

I nearly went to see Springa Sings Decontrol a couple of years ago but that tour got cancelled.

what was the thing in the crass doc about celebs wearing bootleg crass shirts? was it beckham? that was funny but kinda sad

i still have a crass shirt from the 80's. dunno if its legal. probably not.

Pretty sure any Crass t-shirt is a bootleg

oh right they would be...

plus i always felt kinda funny wearing it back then anyway. cuz it says jesus died for his own sins not mine. which isn't something i ever really thought or cared about. and its not something i would want to get into a fight about.

its funny that they created a brand and logo that was so enticing to people that people would buy ANYTHING with the crass name on it. or ironic or whatever. they were amazing advertising/marketing people. they could have made millions.

hey, POO, click on the 24 HOURS OF HARDCORE link:

http://www.americanhardcorebook.com

i gotta devote a day to those MP3s!

Pretty sure any Crass t-shirt is a bootleg

Weren't they always about the "make your own"?

As opposed to "make loads then sell them, loadsamoney" obv.

Well yeah, I meant any Crass t-shirt that someone buys, not made their own.

I know, it was more that at the time, they couldn't be seen to be profiting from "fan worship" i.e. T-Shirt sales. LP sales/ticket sales are a different matter, however...

POO, did you check that link out?

its funny that they created a brand and logo that was so enticing to people that people would buy ANYTHING with the crass name on it. or ironic or whatever. they were amazing advertising/marketing people. they could have made millions.

^this x [some big number], see also Black Flag - have been saying this for quite a few years but yeah I think anyone who is *surprised* that bands like this and a lot of general HC/anarcho iconography ends up in large clothing stores etc isn't really thinking hard enough

I think if you'd told them *at the time*, they'd have thought you mad. But when you'd convinced them, they'd have been stuck as to what to do about it.

Scott - yeah I did, hadn't seen that before (although I have watched the movie) - tbh I have 4 days of hardcore on my ipod, bunch of amateurs if you ask me.

what was the thing in the crass doc about celebs wearing bootleg crass shirts? was it beckham? that was funny but kinda sad

Think I've seen a picture of Angelina Jolie in one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DTzg0q3TE0E/S1CmqAP2hqI/AAAAAAAAAPs/7NdMxR_1O0A/s400/jolie2pt.jpg

You've not heard her version of "Fuck is wimmin's money" then?

I still have the free sew-on patch that came with "Nagasaski Nightmare". I wimped out of getting my mum to sew it on my jacket.

Sometimes I miss Crass.

Christ: The Album is classic

and, fittingly it was Ned's review of it that caused me to get it in the first place...

Gotta start somewhere.

:)

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i pity the fool that dismisses Crass

BEG THE QUESTION
BEND THE TRUTH
BAIL OUT THE BASEMENT
WHILE THERE'S HOLES IN THE ROOF

Yes Sir, I Will is seriously criminally underappreciated as a piece of weirdo avant-noise-collage whatever the fuck you wanna call it. It's almost Boredoms-y

As is 10 Notes on a Summer's Day.

Steve Ignorant being interviewed by John Robb about his life, his music etc.. http://vimeo.com/31018480

you lost me at John Robb

anybody picked up those reissued CDs? I'm curious about the sound and the liner notes. They're a little, uh, pricey for what I associate w/this band.

http://www.anarcho-punk.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=61407

Sigh

Crass 1 Wankers 0

I was listening in on a phone call between Penny Rimbaud and a band who'd released something which was kept in print for years - with nary a royalty paid. The band was demanding the return of the masters, to which they would create a new release, augmented with unreleased stuff, packaged better and generally improved in every way. They were "accepting" of the fact that Crass had never paid royalties (in other words, they didn't make demands or threats or anything about the great deal of money they'd lost.) They just wanted the tapes that *they owned* and that *they had paid for* to be returned to them.

Penny went ballistic, saying that he would sooner burn the tapes in a fire pit than return them and that "he needed to make money to survive." Then he slammed the phone day. I always thought Crass were too strident and dogmatic and finger-pointing (despite half-hearted protests to the contrary) to be taken very seriously. And I always thought that their records were pretty weak. But even I was shocked at the petulant quality of his outburst. Things were eventually resolved to *some* satisfaction of the band (legally, they did own the tapes, but they couldn't afford to fight it.

Anyway, none of this crap surprises me. Crass always gave the Clash shit for their supposed "sell-out" commercialism, but knowing Joe and Mick and various others in that gang, I find it funny to know how much (unannounced) good work Joe used to do for people - myself included - and how much time and energy even "rock and roll Mick" devotes to fund-raising and charities, and how, despite some acrimony during the original band's break-up, they mended fences, took care of business, agreed on some counterintuitive things (like not having reunions) and helped each other out quite a bit behind the scenes. When you compare this to the behavior of most Crass members in recent years - despite their relatively small pile of loot to fight over, it's hilarious. Pathetic,