owners' collusion during the free-agent era is a contender
also the major leagues before 1947
both of these urinate on the other options from a great height
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 12:59 (nine years ago) link
jajajaja
― JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:44 (nine years ago) link
i voted rose, and i voted literally, i.e. that his scandal evokes emotion for me. a lot of this comes from the fact that he is the first baseball player i ever knew about, and the first that i really liked. i can still remember watching a film strip in elementary school (that for some reason showed a picture of him) and saying "that's pete rose!"
sorry for the cliche, but not really: he just always seemed to put his heart into the game. always ran the bases as if his life depended on the speed, etc. i can not believe that he bet against the reds, but i do believe he bet ON them, which is questionable but imo not something to be forever shamed and punished for, and that is why i feel strongly about it. being banned from baseball, yes, but let him in the hall.
― tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:50 (nine years ago) link
i mean, let me be clear: it is more than questionable. it is clearly wrong to bet on a game you are involved in in any way, it can affect your actions w/r/t that game. but compared to betting against your own team, it's just such a whole other level.
― tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:52 (nine years ago) link
i voted for "this time it counts", what a load of sheiBe.
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:52 (nine years ago) link
B = capital Beta fwiw
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:53 (nine years ago) link
i don't know if this is a controversial or hated opinion on ILB, i'm new here. xpost
― tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:53 (nine years ago) link
"this time it counts" isnt really a scandal though, is it?
― tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:57 (nine years ago) link
Interesting about Rose. I guess he's fallen so far, it's easy to forget that at one time he was viewed by many to embody everything good about the game...unless you were Ray Fosse or Bud Harrelson...but I can definitely see where he'd be a kid favourite. I felt that way about Bench.
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 03:25 (nine years ago) link
yeah. he's truly one of my favorites.
― tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 03:31 (nine years ago) link
Can someone recommend a good article that covers the collusion scandal in depth?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 2 December 2010 10:45 (nine years ago) link
I thought maybe James took the issue up, but now I realize it was the Rose scandal; he wrote this really long, meticulous defense of Rose (whom James otherwise didn't have much use for) in whichever annual it was in '90 or '91. I think he may have changed his position since he wrote it.
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 11:08 (nine years ago) link
i find Rose's last season as manager/1B sticking himself into late inning games to goose his hit total more offensive then betting on his guys.
― sanskrit, Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:14 (nine years ago) link
why!
― tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:42 (nine years ago) link
Baseball doesn't think much of dirty Italians anyway and neither do the fans.
― Hexum Enduction Hour (u s steel), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:22 (eight years ago) link
riiiight
― mookieproof, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:32 (eight years ago) link
Haven't read this yet:
http://mlb.si.com/2013/07/24/an-oral-history-of-the-pine-tar-game/?sct=uk_t11_a4
I'm almost positive I was watching that game on TV, yet 7/24/83 was a Sunday, and it was an afternoon start--where would I have gotten a Yankees/Royals game on a Sunday afternoon? I'm not even sure if there were Sunday night broadcasts then. Baffling.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:56 (six years ago) link
You've gotta watch that clip--don't know that I've ever seen an athlete more apoplectic than Brett. Priceless: it's Gaylord Perry who sneaks the bat off the field! (Finishing his career with the Royals in '83...)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 17:05 (six years ago) link
SABR marks the centennial with some myth-busting
https://sabr.org/eight-myths-out
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1353-the-show-goes-on/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:47 (eight months ago) link