baseball scandals

owners' collusion during the free-agent era is a contender

also the major leagues before 1947

both of these urinate on the other options from a great height

jajajaja

i voted rose, and i voted literally, i.e. that his scandal evokes emotion for me. a lot of this comes from the fact that he is the first baseball player i ever knew about, and the first that i really liked. i can still remember watching a film strip in elementary school (that for some reason showed a picture of him) and saying "that's pete rose!"

sorry for the cliche, but not really: he just always seemed to put his heart into the game. always ran the bases as if his life depended on the speed, etc. i can not believe that he bet against the reds, but i do believe he bet ON them, which is questionable but imo not something to be forever shamed and punished for, and that is why i feel strongly about it. being banned from baseball, yes, but let him in the hall.

i mean, let me be clear: it is more than questionable. it is clearly wrong to bet on a game you are involved in in any way, it can affect your actions w/r/t that game. but compared to betting against your own team, it's just such a whole other level.

i voted for "this time it counts", what a load of sheiBe.

B = capital Beta fwiw

i don't know if this is a controversial or hated opinion on ILB, i'm new here. xpost

"this time it counts" isnt really a scandal though, is it?

Interesting about Rose. I guess he's fallen so far, it's easy to forget that at one time he was viewed by many to embody everything good about the game...unless you were Ray Fosse or Bud Harrelson...but I can definitely see where he'd be a kid favourite. I felt that way about Bench.

yeah. he's truly one of my favorites.

Can someone recommend a good article that covers the collusion scandal in depth?

I thought maybe James took the issue up, but now I realize it was the Rose scandal; he wrote this really long, meticulous defense of Rose (whom James otherwise didn't have much use for) in whichever annual it was in '90 or '91. I think he may have changed his position since he wrote it.

i find Rose's last season as manager/1B sticking himself into late inning games to goose his hit total more offensive then betting on his guys.

why!

Baseball doesn't think much of dirty Italians anyway and neither do the fans.

riiiight

Haven't read this yet:

http://mlb.si.com/2013/07/24/an-oral-history-of-the-pine-tar-game/?sct=uk_t11_a4

I'm almost positive I was watching that game on TV, yet 7/24/83 was a Sunday, and it was an afternoon start--where would I have gotten a Yankees/Royals game on a Sunday afternoon? I'm not even sure if there were Sunday night broadcasts then. Baffling.

You've gotta watch that clip--don't know that I've ever seen an athlete more apoplectic than Brett. Priceless: it's Gaylord Perry who sneaks the bat off the field! (Finishing his career with the Royals in '83...)

SABR marks the centennial with some myth-busting

https://sabr.org/eight-myths-out

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1353-the-show-goes-on/