― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link
Occurs to me that in making the pregnant woman & baby (Dylan, eventually) unique on earth and thus the hope for all of humanity, the film forces us to look at the world through a parent's eyes. It's basically a movie about having kids in a horribly inhospitable world.
Even as childless viewers, we see man's inhumanity to man as sickeningly absurd, insane folly with astronomical stakes. This where most war and action movies, even the most high-minded ones, tend to trivialize death and suffering by making them seem like a necessary product of something else.
Again, I think this is one of the reasons the film includes so much animal footage. It's easy to feel parental/sentimental about cute animals. By inducing this kind of parental anxiety in the viewer, the film adds weight to the threats and condemnations of its final act.
― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link
Walking baby Bazooka out of the the tenement still makes me tear up. There are very few films with the sense of decency and humanity on display here.
― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Thought the cars were absolutely spot-on. Twenty years from now there'll be the same Renault Megane, Suzuki Swift and a fucking Toyota Corolla, but with rubber crap and sensors and the front and useless little warnings telling you an "impact" is imminent that flash up on the windscreen.
― S- (sgh), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0206634/D001_00234.jpg
arguments upthread about the religious symbolism seem bunk for the most part, though the more i chew on it the more they might be true, at least a *little* bit (this isn't frickin 'stephen king's the stand' by any means which i watched on sci-fi channel last night thinking it was a bio-disaster film until i realized it was basically a 'left behind' movie) when i read on imdb where the title comes from:
"Lord, thou hast been our refuge: from one generation to another. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever the earth and the world were made: thou art God from everlasting, and world without end. Thou turnest man to destruction: again thou sayest, Come again, ye children of men. For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday: Seeing that is past as a watch in the night."
speaking of dystopic-apocalypto films, has anyone read this book? i really want to check it out -- hopefully a library near me has it -- a bit out of my range just now:http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Apocalyptic-Cinema-Charles-Mitchell/dp/0313315272
― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tape Store (Tape Store), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:42 (seventeen years ago) link
can't see these as clearly but one of the things i really look forward to in re-watchin it is absorbing the details better:
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0206634/00189.jpg_rgb.jpg
― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:46 (seventeen years ago) link
It's certainly worth the Amazon used book price.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 06:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 06:33 (seventeen years ago) link
That has made me less excited to see a movie that I was looking forward too.
― Seven Years as a Bird in the Wood (The GZeus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 06:40 (seventeen years ago) link
And damm it now I want to go and listen to Itchy Woooooooo all afternoon.
― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link
this is a good point. I had a child six months ago and that's partly why this movie was so affecting to me, absolutely. Also, the birth scene in this is terrifyingly realistic and I can't figure out how they did it. cgi?
― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link
I AM ABOUT TO TYPE A SPOILER RIGHT NOW ALERT MESSAGE!!!!!
so what's the deal, they get the girl's baby to safety, so "the plan" for redeveloping the population then is to bottleneck the entire human species through it? wouldn't that ultimately mung-ify us all? better than nothing, is that what we're supposed to accept?
― ath (ath), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link
You know who was great? Peter Mullan as Syd, the Bexhill guard.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link
We know nothing about "the plan" other than, you know, the first child in 18 years has been born and maybe that would be a good place to poke around for a solution. Anything beyond that is stuff you're making up in your own mind.
I think it speaks well for Children of Men that nearly every major criticism I've read is due to either misunderstanding or imposing unnecessary conditions from the outside.
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― ath (ath), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― ath (ath), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Totally didn't notice that that was Peter Mullan, which increases my regard for him.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, it was the oposite of this.
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link
It's worth noting that we don't even know that this is the first child in 18 years... it's never made clear exactly what the human project is, and I sort of thought that there might be more than just one mother and baby.
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link
cat clawing onto clive owen's leg = AWESOMENESS
― Jimmy_tango (Jimmy_tango), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link
If there's one thing I'd criticize about this otherwise wonderful movie, it's that the kitten was criminally underutilized.
― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link
p.s., the sci-fi parody linked to by Fluffy Bear etc upthread really is very funny.
― chap (chap), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:29 (seventeen years ago) link
when they were smoking w33d the first time and telling jokes about scientists munching stork.
― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:34 (seventeen years ago) link