this could happen:
http://www.slate.com/id/2276190/
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp much too generous to wikileaks. they clearly have an agenda. the idea that they are agnostic about the information it's releasing is preposterous. and they obviously wants to have an impact, if only to further that agenda. in that respect its mostly doing a terrible job.
― caek, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
waut @ Iceland, that is actually the coolest thing about this whole shebang
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
if the biggest impact of this leak is that it ruins Hillary's political chances going into the future, that'll be a bummer.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Seems like Wikileaks does exactly what you'd think it does, it leaks information. It doesn't stop the war and it doesn't expose some completely unknown scandals. The Wikileaks site didn't have a front page saying THIS LEAK WILL CHANGE THE WORLD with a big count-down clock on it or something. If you're upset that there aren't any "important changes" resulting from all this then perhaps you should lower your personal expectations.
um please to note that SOMEONE ELSE implied that important changes were going to be borne from these leaks, not me. And sure while this latest batch has only been out for a few days (and appears to be largely inconsequential), the previous stuff has been out for months.
Iceland thing is interesting. kind of hard to predict how it will play out and whether it will be a success. I'll be surprised if anybody from that bank goes to jail tho fwiw.
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
and yeah caek otm
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
The sort of drool David Broder writes. No wonder the WaPo and Slate are sister publications.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
agree with Alfred there, that's overstating the case. it's taken as a given that countries' diplomatic corps' function this way - unless some unforeseen horrible breakdown with a major ally ensues claiming that Hillary's days are numbered seems like overheated hyperbole to me. Obama seems plenty happy with her so far.
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
did someone post this? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/wikileaks-just-made-the-world-more-repressive/article1818157/
― akm, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
fart
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the two guys toing and froing on the economist blog are doing a really good job imo
― caek, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Amazed by that Shafer article. I don't see Clinton losing her job over this at all.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL, I was unaware that Wikileaks had recently tweeted "The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined".
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Sneakersmovie.jpg
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ha that's almost friedman-y
xp
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
my parents love Sneakers.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined
lol
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
consequences will never be the same
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
julian aykroyd
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Kind of curious about the 'history' part. Maybe Wikileaks is building this all up to a reveal of real proof of Atlantis.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
hope it's about 9.11
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, hey, the Pentagon Papers kind of redefined the Vietnam War, didn't they?
― Two and a Half Muffins (Eazy), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
nothing released yet at that level
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
They're going to drop the truth bombs w/r/t the aquatic ape theory AND the peopling of the Americas by boats.
― the structuralist constructions of (Viceroy), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
nm I suppose that's global prehistory...
― the structuralist constructions of (Viceroy), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
The central goal of WikiLeaks is to prevent the world's most powerful factions -- including the sprawling, imperial U.S. Government -- from continuing to operate in the dark and without restraints. Most of the institutions which are supposed to perform that function -- beginning with the U.S. Congress and the American media -- not only fail to do so, but are active participants in maintaining the veil of secrecy. WikiLeaks, whatever its flaws, is one of the very few entities shining a vitally needed light on all of this. It's hardly surprising, then, that those factions -- and their hordes of spokespeople, followers and enablers -- see WikiLeaks as a force for evil. That's evidence of how much good they are doing.http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/30/wikileaks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+salon/greenwald+(Glenn+Greenwald)
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/30/wikileaks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+salon/greenwald+(Glenn+Greenwald)
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
specious reasoning there glenn
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I know I'm a broken record with this but over the last few years Greenwald went from an intelligent commentator to an author of some of the dumbest shit ever.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
you mean over the last 22 months i think
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
since i've been reading him since 2007 i don't know why i'd mean 22 months but thanks for your pedantic dumbass bullshit anyway cheers :)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
(sorry, i'm upset about rl stuff, i'm not gonna post anymore while this stuff is going on cause i'm just gonna be a jerk)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
jk
anyway i don't think this is what you're saying exactly but i doubt 2007 gg would have a different position on wikileaks
i really would rather not talk about glenn greenwald though
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't mind Greenwald at all, except when I do.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah, that's basically my ish with him. when he's right, he's right.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
which to me is fifty percent of the time and okay with me.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
His arguments re: the media speaking as the voice of the post-9/11 Security State are pretty convincing, and he seems to tie that into most of the stuff he talks about these days.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
So what differentiates this dude from the usual garden variety anarchist? Aside from his platform and prominence?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
The central goal of WikiLeaks is to prevent the world's most powerful factions -- including the sprawling, imperial U.S. Government -- from continuing to operate in the dark and without restraints. Most of the institutions which are supposed to perform that function -- beginning with the U.S. Congress and the American media -- not only fail to do so, but are active participants in maintaining the veil of secrecy. WikiLeaks, whatever its flaws, is one of the very few entities shining a vitally needed light on all of this. It's hardly surprising, then, that those factions -- and their hordes of spokespeople, followers and enablers -- see WikiLeaks as a force for evil. That's evidence of how much good they are doing.
On a gut level my problem with this kind of thing is the seeming asymmetry of it. Unless you're going to have equal-sized disclosures for every government in the world, you're sort of single out the United States for the kind of secrecy every modern nation practices. If there's information that's especially damning like the Pentagon Papers I'm all for releasing it. But I don't see the benefit in getting behind-the-scenes diplomatic communications and opinions otherwise, unless we're going to get the same from all sides.
― ball (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Unless you're going to have equal-sized disclosures for every government in the world,
Well US is proportionately always gonna be of more global interest than, what, 97% of other countries?
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
So you think the right has a point -- that the leaks acquire validity if, say, Chinese and North Korean "secrets" emerged too?
(no sarcasm intended)
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
who me? got no other opinion, certainly no informed one, tbh
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Julian Assange is greatfor me to leak on
― buzza, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
no -- Hurting
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
phew
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You have to admire someone who can seriously annoy just about every government on the planet. On the other hand I feel sorry for his parents.
― badg, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
On a gut level my problem with this kind of thing is the seeming asymmetry of it.
The only way asymmetry arguments hold up, IMO, is if Assange declined to leak from China/Russia/etc. - which seems unlikely, since some of the current leaks are pretty damning of Russia and China themselves.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Older but very interesting piece on the potential criminal liability of Wikileaks.
http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2010/09/public_class.html
― Bull fighting, Paris, hunting, suicide (kenan), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/activate-reston5
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:52 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
ladies and gentlemen, last night we came under attack by means of a direct denial of service attack. we had no choice but to *emperor assange removes his glasses, rubs his eyes... for a moment you are reminded that he is human... like us* we had to activate Reston5. may god forgive me.
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 08:25 (thirteen years ago) link
people who claim that wikileaks is politically neutral forget the existence of collateral murder
― .\ /. (dayo), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link