Um, I Think It's Time for a Thread on WikiLeaks

yes wikileaks is all about providing evidence for court trials!! thats how all important changes happen rite, in a courtroom!! with a gavel!!!

shakey mo/palin 2012

shakey mo gives wikileaks' latest album a 4.8

shakey mo/palin 2012

if you people have a point you aren't expressing it very well

i believe i have some insight into their point

http://www.t-shirt-mania.com/bad-attitude-t-shirts/Fuck-the-Police.jpg

Leave Shakey alone: he's my transportation secretary.

Oh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJJbrFvF7A&feature=player_embedded

Did this get posted?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/11/30/10_conversations_that_just_got_a_little_more_awkward

lol @ "Julian Ahsaaaaahnge" in that clip

thats how all important changes happen rite, in a courtroom!! with a gavel!!!

please to point me to any "important changes" that have resulted from Wikileaks' actions k thx bye

like I get that you guys are all excited about the PRINCIPLE of freedom of information - which I for the most part agree with, hey yes, let's have it! - but the practical impacts of Wikileaks' half-assed data dumps are negligible to negative so um what exactly is there to be cheering about apart from having a new collection of laughable tidbits to pore over for a day or two

Did you read the Forbes article in full, Shakey? The whole thing that happened in Iceland is pretty notable alone.

haven't gotten to the forbes article yet, no

I recommend you do. (The interview is separate from the article but I find the article more informative.)

oh yeah I wasn't interested in the interview so didn't click

Seems like Wikileaks does exactly what you'd think it does, it leaks information. It doesn't stop the war and it doesn't expose some completely unknown scandals. The Wikileaks site didn't have a front page saying THIS LEAK WILL CHANGE THE WORLD with a big count-down clock on it or something. If you're upset that there aren't any "important changes" resulting from all this then perhaps you should lower your personal expectations.

the shit has been out for like three days

this could happen:

http://www.slate.com/id/2276190/

xxp much too generous to wikileaks. they clearly have an agenda. the idea that they are agnostic about the information it's releasing is preposterous. and they obviously wants to have an impact, if only to further that agenda. in that respect its mostly doing a terrible job.

waut @ Iceland, that is actually the coolest thing about this whole shebang

if the biggest impact of this leak is that it ruins Hillary's political chances going into the future, that'll be a bummer.

Seems like Wikileaks does exactly what you'd think it does, it leaks information. It doesn't stop the war and it doesn't expose some completely unknown scandals. The Wikileaks site didn't have a front page saying THIS LEAK WILL CHANGE THE WORLD with a big count-down clock on it or something. If you're upset that there aren't any "important changes" resulting from all this then perhaps you should lower your personal expectations.

um please to note that SOMEONE ELSE implied that important changes were going to be borne from these leaks, not me. And sure while this latest batch has only been out for a few days (and appears to be largely inconsequential), the previous stuff has been out for months.

Iceland thing is interesting. kind of hard to predict how it will play out and whether it will be a success. I'll be surprised if anybody from that bank goes to jail tho fwiw.

and yeah caek otm

this could happen:

http://www.slate.com/id/2276190/

The sort of drool David Broder writes. No wonder the WaPo and Slate are sister publications.

agree with Alfred there, that's overstating the case. it's taken as a given that countries' diplomatic corps' function this way - unless some unforeseen horrible breakdown with a major ally ensues claiming that Hillary's days are numbered seems like overheated hyperbole to me. Obama seems plenty happy with her so far.

did someone post this?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/wikileaks-just-made-the-world-more-repressive/article1818157/

fart

the two guys toing and froing on the economist blog are doing a really good job imo

Amazed by that Shafer article. I don't see Clinton losing her job over this at all.

LOL, I was unaware that Wikileaks had recently tweeted "The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Sneakersmovie.jpg

ha that's almost friedman-y

xp

my parents love Sneakers.

The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined

lol

consequences will never be the same

julian aykroyd

Kind of curious about the 'history' part. Maybe Wikileaks is building this all up to a reveal of real proof of Atlantis.

hope it's about 9.11

Well, hey, the Pentagon Papers kind of redefined the Vietnam War, didn't they?

nothing released yet at that level

They're going to drop the truth bombs w/r/t the aquatic ape theory AND the peopling of the Americas by boats.

nm I suppose that's global prehistory...

The central goal of WikiLeaks is to prevent the world's most powerful factions -- including the sprawling, imperial U.S. Government -- from continuing to operate in the dark and without restraints. Most of the institutions which are supposed to perform that function -- beginning with the U.S. Congress and the American media -- not only fail to do so, but are active participants in maintaining the veil of secrecy. WikiLeaks, whatever its flaws, is one of the very few entities shining a vitally needed light on all of this. It's hardly surprising, then, that those factions -- and their hordes of spokespeople, followers and enablers -- see WikiLeaks as a force for evil. That's evidence of how much good they are doing.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/30/wikileaks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+salon/greenwald+(Glenn+Greenwald)

specious reasoning there glenn

I know I'm a broken record with this but over the last few years Greenwald went from an intelligent commentator to an author of some of the dumbest shit ever.

you mean over the last 22 months i think

since i've been reading him since 2007 i don't know why i'd mean 22 months but thanks for your pedantic dumbass bullshit anyway cheers :)

(sorry, i'm upset about rl stuff, i'm not gonna post anymore while this stuff is going on cause i'm just gonna be a jerk)

jk

anyway i don't think this is what you're saying exactly but i doubt 2007 gg would have a different position on wikileaks

i really would rather not talk about glenn greenwald though

I don't mind Greenwald at all, except when I do.