New Yorkers: Weigh in on the Swiftly Sprouting ASTOR PLACE "Luxury" High Rise

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especially if someone else were paying my rent

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

are there any current pictures of this thing?

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll take some soon.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 January 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
whoa, what??!?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(it went out for a bite to eat but will be back in a few weeks)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

good riddance!

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

If you really miss it you come see it in Ann Arbor, where we have an identical one.

mitch dub (ano ano), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-b-b-but I just saw some refugees pretending to be dead right next to it!

Darius Rucker Lookalike (deangulberry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

How about the swiftly sprouting mid-rise at Houston and Chrystie, soon to introduce Whole Foods to the East Village?

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 05:17 (nineteen years ago) link

that building pisses me off, because I often work for a friend who has a studio on chrystie, and since they tore up that intersection it's hard to get around.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0509,bpress,61613,15.html

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how, in that area, you can see another Starbucks from inside a Starbucks.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

In Providence RI, I think there is a street corner where 3 dunkin donuts are visible.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Remember that Dunkin Donuts commercial, the last one with the Time to Make the Donuts guy, where he dreams that another version of himself already made the donuts?

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Mary, thanks for posting that link. I was trying to make sense of a lyric by Lloyd Cole in his work with the Negatives that mentions Astor Place. The article changes the context, as I imagined it.

youn, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Really great thread. I have a lot of memories of meeting people at the Astor Place Cube. That new building does seem annoying...

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF, this is like bizarro world.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

aw, that cube.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck, no more cube :(

Your search - borg cube nyc - did not match any documents.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Never liked that cube / corner, and actually like the new building.

paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone know what the rents are in that thing?

Matthew Weiss, Monday, 21 March 2005 02:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, the ad copy on the side of this thing is hilarious:

"SCULPTURE FOR LIVING: Undulating. Provocative. Abstract. Reflective."

Abstract??? Undulating???

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

If the building is going to undulate, let me out first, kay? Bye.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The building, I think, was supposed to look like this....
http://www.artnet.com/magazine/news/ntm3/Images/ntm9-1-6.jpg

...which explains the undulation theory. However, rather yawnsomely, it actually just ended up looking like this:

http://homepage.mac.com/alexinnyc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-30%2016.07.30%20-0800/Image-F3FEAEE6A17711D9.jpg

Now, granted, this picture doesn't really do it justice, but it quite clearly demonstrates that any architecturally sensuous undulation is quite out of the question. It basically looks like a giant tube of blue shampoo that divides the East Village from the Village.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I will definitely see this in May when I'm out there 'cause my gf has clients at Lafayette & E4th. It doesn't look like much, right now.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex, that kind of looks like a tree.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i.e. do you have a more complete pic?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Not at the moment, but stay tuned.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

But in the interim, the building in questino is behind that tree.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Che?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, I know. I was being clever.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, I know, and I was being a smartass.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I should have known!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, i never realized how out of place that useless dorm looks

lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

The "sculpture for living" looks like three bad office buildings in one.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

very ugly.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

bleccchhhh. Having that building there really diminishes the public space -- the non-building entity of the old parking lot did a lot to open up the area that the developers may have overlooked in their planning. I mean, the openness is desirable -- but you lose it when you build on it.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

space that provides only enjoyment is "unproductive".

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i.e. I'm sure the developers thought about it.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Zoe of NYC Magic Garden fame writes:

In 1748, what is now Lafayette and Astor Place, was New York City's first botanical garden, established by a Swiss physician, Jacob Sperry, who farmed flowers and hothouse plants. A mile from what was then the edge of the city, Sperry's gardens became the destination of weekend strollers. In 1804 Sperry sold his gardens to John Jacob Astor, who then leased the property to a Frenchman named Delacroix, who transformed the property into the fashionable Vauxhall Garden, where New Yorkers could sniff flowers as well as eat, drink, listen to music (just like the buskers playing at the big black Cube in the 80s), and view fireworks and theatrical events.

By 1825, with real estate values skyrocketing on nearby Bond, Bleecker, and Great Jones streets, Astor cut the street, reducing the garden to half its size, which created Lafayette Place. Astor realized a great profit for the lots here, named LaGrange Terrace. Four of the original nine “mansions” remain as Colonnade Row - they're those Greek Revival townhouses housing Blue Man Group that you'd kill to live in. The other five were destroyed in 1902 to make way for an annex to Wanamaker’s Department Store.

In honor of Shakespeare's birthday, which is sometime around now, let's learn a little about one of the most infamous associations with Astor Place - the Astor Riot on May 10, 1849. Years after heated anti-English sentiment, NYC witnessed one of the most violent confrontations in the city's history - an angry mob of Irish and German workers and nativists (that's us folks!) descended upon the Astor Place Opera House during a staging of Macbeth, to protest the appearance of the English Shakespearean actor, William Charles Macready, a fancy aristocrat who was thought to look down upon Americans as "boorish and uncultured." Us? The protesters were there in support of Edwin Forrest, an American-born Shakespearean actor who was fiercely patriotic, epitomized the democratic ideals of America and did not want to be dominated by elite outsiders. Hmmm, sounds like the MAGIC GARDEN. Forrest was the first American-born actor to become an international celebrity and by the mid-nineteenth century was earning $2,000 a week. And he was idolized.

Here's how it started - the Astor Place Opera House was built in 1847 by a group of philanthropists at the juncture of Broadway and the Bowery. Broadway was a playground for the wealthy. The Bowery was lined with saloons and boarding houses. Remember a few years ago? Sigh. There was dress code at the Astor Place Opera, white gloves and silk vest, which offended the locals - in particular, the "Bowery B'hoys," a gang of Irish and German working class toughs who felt that such elitist standards violated the basic principles of the American democracy, and they pretty much hated the English and all things aristocratic. The Opera House served as a divisive emblem, which pitted the leisure class against the laboring class. One look at the Bowery today and this schism is still frighteningly apparent.

On May 7, 1849, the evening when the three leading theaters in the city presented Macbeth, the Astor Place Opera House was packed with Forrest supporters, who interrupted Macready the Brit's performance with yelling, throwing of rotten eggs, potatoes, and chairs, and all around misbehaving. After his performance, Macready announced that he would leave the city. But the upper class community of NYC was outraged and a petition decrying the antics of the Forrest supporters was signed by 48 prominent New Yorkers, including Washington Irving and Herman Melville (who is a distant relative of musician and vegan Moby, born Richard Melville Hall) and sent to Macready as well as local newspapers. Macready was promised protection and support and so he agreed to perform. Signs were posted around the city announcing his appearance in Macbeth on the night of May 10, 1849, but some of the rowdy Bowery B'hoys also posted notices, urging a protest during Macready's performance. In preparation, a police force of 250 was stationed in and around the Opera House. The doors and windows of the theater were closed and barricaded, and the National Guard was put on alert.

And so, on May 10, a volatile crowd of 10,000 and 15,000 people assembled in the streets outside the Astor Place Opera House. They began throwing stones and broken pieces of brick at the police outside, and as the police took refuge inside, the mob began hurling stones at the windows, destroying the flimsy barricades, and hitting the audience. The mob dispersed only when the National Guardsmen opened fire. It is said that 23 people died, and over 100 were wounded, including 50 to 70 police officers. It was the first time that American troops had ever fired on Americans. New York City and the nation were devastated. In the days following the Riot, rallies were held in Washington Square Park to protest the killings. The National Guard troops kept vigil at the Astor Place Opera House to prevent further violence. For three days after, the city remained under martial law (that's a state in which all civil laws, rights and liberties are suspended and the military has direct rule). Sort of like that comforting feeling we had during the RNC, when we were greeted on our daily commute by stern-faced, gigantic-gunned toting, camouflaged-clad youngsters on the subway and throughout the streets, all in the name of patriotism.

Remembered as the site of a massacre, the Astor Place Opera house never recovered. In 1854, the building was converted into the Mercantile Library Building, and then was home to the Chinese consulate in the 1920s. Later the District 65 Building, which housed the National Writer's Union for more than 50 years. I think it's now the highly respectable Kinkos and Starbucks. Starbuck was the name of the first mate in Melville's Moby Dick. Melville spent 19 years as a customs inspector on the New York docks. And this building, if it's not already, will soon be available if you want to spend 4 million dollars on a condo.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I read something snarky somewhere about how these condos are a great deal because it's the only place in the neighborhood you won't have a view of the "Sculpture For Living"!

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Paul Goldberger on Astor Place:

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/skyline/articles/050502crsk_skyline

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

What an utterly obnoxious building. I *want* to like it, I really do, and I can see that it's trying hard to endear itself to me, but I can't stop wanting to slap the living shit out of it.

happy fun ball (kenan), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the more things change, the more things change

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

ah, nostalgia for the naivete of '04...

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link

OH FUCK

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link


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