Boston -- Classic or Dirty Water?

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Yeah, that happened a couple of months ago and recently extended to Cambridge. I think you can still smoke indoors in Somerville, though.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

yup. Dead serious, have to go outside now. Sucks ass. Although worcester isn't smoke free yet, but I don't think anyone wants to come here. so the weekend of the 21-22. According to the newspaper this morning, they are trying to make the whole state smoke free.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

Dan, any suggestions of where to go?

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

The only positive to Boston is the fact that I thought you could still smoke there! It truly IS the devil's city.

Seriously though, I'll go to Worcester just so I don't have to stand outside in late November in New England for fuck's sake. Oh well. I'll still come, I'll just complain a lot. I hope you like whining!!!

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

I love whining...

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

I'm completely out of touch with places to go because I've been really, really broke for about a year what with putting someone through grad school. One place that is usually good as far as being someplace a large number of people can comfortably invade is Flash's cocktails on Columbus St (aka the place I took Ally, Otis and the gang the last time they were in town); it's kind of small but for some reason there's usually tons of seating, plus it's close to the Ritz.

I would suggest The Pour House but it's always packed. There's also a Good Life back in the Financial District somewhere but I can never remember where it is. Oh, and there's another pub-type place that is around the corner from Jose McIntyre's (I will never ever EVER take anyone to Jose Macs so don't even ask about it) which doesn't lend itself to seating a large party but is pretty cheap from what I remember. Apparently celebrities show up at The Rack a lot, so if people want to go chuckle at Yuppie Hell I'd suggest there.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

(Haha "I have no idea of where to go, but we could try place A or place B or place C, place D sucks, maybe place E if you get desperate, etc etc etc...")

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

$5-$6? no smoking in bars?

Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link

The good life is fun. I hate the Rack with a passion and its so expensive. I think the name of the bar across from Jose's is Coogans Bluff. Its alright, and cheap. I've gotten thrown out of there for jumping on stage and stealing the mic from a dude and demanding the audience sing "More than a Feeling".

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

I was at T's pub in brighton two weeks ago and there was plenty of space. Although its right next to the Paradise and sort of away from everything. Plus they had Bud Light 20 oz drafts for $2.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:46 (twenty years ago) link

Haha I remember Flash's. We ended up moving shop from there though, much to our detriment/eternal gratitude when the next bar confiscated O-town's ID. "What's your zip code?" "Uh, I don't know."

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

I thought the only reason we left was because we wanted to dance?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

No no that is EXACTLY why we left, it just turned into a total disaster which is completely amusing to me. We didn't leave because of anything Flash's did, I'm sorry if I implied that. We ended up in that big enormous place with the waitress that looked like Denise Richards, but I don't remember what that was. It was huge though!!

I think a place we might be able to dance would be good but nothing too expensive...

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

fear my moves.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

Jillian's! That's a great place for finding someplace to sit, plus they've got Atlas downstairs which we could conceivably go to for our dancing needs.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

There is also Bills which is next door to Jillians. And you can all piss on Fenway which is directly across the street.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

Sold.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

I am so craving Durgin Park right now.

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

There is a plethora of bars near Durgin Park as well. There is also Jake Ivorys next to Jillians as well, if anyone feels like being Billy Joel for the night.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

I'll add an extra as well, as well.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

oh and i am def making an appearance in NY within the next two months as a friend of mine who lives in Brooklyn is back from his year long film shoot and he has invited me to visit. Yay.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

dude, i'll totally come to boston with you guys, as long as it's not the weekend of the 15th!

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

OK it's gonna be the weekend afterwards so you are coming!! This is so exciting! Except when I get there I'll be pissed off with the whole thing. The train up there is quite expensive?

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

It's all about the bus!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

Dans right I think you can go round trip on a bus for $60.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

$128 round trip by train.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

That's not so bad.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

$40 round trip by bus with 7 day advance purchase $50 without and it takes about the same amount of time by bus than by train.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

I don't personally mind the bus. I know of other people who have issue.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

+++++++++Some points:
1. The roads in Boston are put together much worse than even DC or suburban Maryland.
2. Nashville has more fun stuff to do than Boston even if you HATE country music, and better food.
3. The only thing I like about Boston, in fact, is Newbury Comics or whatever that place is, which is like a bigger, nicer Kim's.
4. Unfortunately, Kim's St. Marks is surrounded by similar shops full of cool shit whereas Newbury is more like a single shining light in the pitch blackness of bad cafés and hahvud yahd crappity crap crap.
5. Don't EVEN call that thing a subway system. Dear LORD. What is this? An IDM album cover? ARRGGGH.
6. actually, if this thing can wait till December ... 'cause the bills play the patriots on 12/27.
ahem WHO IN THE JESUSFUCKERS would want to spend even PART of their holiday season in BOSTON? Seriously though if you're that much of a Bills fan you deserve whatever you get I suppose. URGHK.
-- TOMBOT (arrg...), October 18th, 2003+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

yes -the roads are set up bad and the subway shuts down at 1am. Correct.
But….
THE REST OF YOUR POST READS LIKE A DUMB MOTHERFooCKER REDNECK
Newbury vs KIMS??? What?huh? - Newbury the only place to shop in boston? Um, yeah if you are a stupid a;s tourist with no clue ..oh wait…
Please.
This place is fookin indy bookstore, record store, café heaven. (nyc record shops are more picked thru than boston btw…for the most part)
Also: film archives, weekly kung fu filmings on weds night at allston….moody street in waltham has over 100 different ethnic restaurants.
Middle east nightclub drops the fffing abomb on any DC club. What do you have? The 930club or some something? Tt the bears, the attic, the paradise . and so on and so forth.
And yes, boston is no NYC. Correct. Bloody fffing brilliant. The world isnt flat either. Bears sh*t in the woods aslo.
Sorry but your post was mucho dense…

kephm, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

Re: above post

Boston 0, Rest of the World 1.

allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

Newbury St has the Trident Bookstore and Cafe, which depnding on your mood is either fantastic or fucking horrible.

The real golden stretch is Mass Ave in Cambridge between Central Square and Harvard Square, at least as far as used record store searching goes.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

I despise buses.

Thanks, Dan.

Also I would like to revise my prior post:

BOSNOT U HAVE NO CHANCE

EAT DICK FAGTOGS

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

Middle east nightclub drops the fffing abomb on any DC club.

Also, this isn't true. I've been to four clubs in DC and at least two of them were better than the Middle East. Of course being as we're discussing personal preferences in barhopping and shopping, IT'S ALL PRETTY GODDAMN SUBJECTIVE INNIT. The Middle East is one of the most overrated places I've ever been! Dan Perry OTM about how a lot of these things entirely depend on your mood at that exact moment; the apparent-spirograph-cobblestone-road-system in Boston tends to put me in a mood to hate every single store I've ever set foot in there, for example.

FWIW, Kim's puts me into fits as well. Tourist. Trap. For. Hipsters. But then again I hate indie record stores to begin with so your like supposed indie record store mecca isn't really a pulling point for me to decide to suddenly like Boston, kephm.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

Also, getting to Moody St. without a car would be an exercise in irritation.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

http://home.clara.net/digger/sixties/cats.jpg

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

(I knew I had images turned off for a reason.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

++a lot of these things entirely depend on your mood at that exact moment

yeah, true that. like life itself. yes , it is confusing as hell to get around. I still get confused sometimes when in a car...
ive seen hundreds of good shows at the middle east. its sort of a dive, but some of us don't mind.

i was responding to tombot. he doesnt know what he is talking about.

goto Berks shoes in harvrd square to escape the indyfication

oonas is a good vintage(clothing) shop outside of hrvrd square...



kephm, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link

It's more than a feeling you have for him, Dan.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link

He performed for the first time in 25 years last night.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

Toscanini's in Harvard & Central Square is my personal pick of the Boston ice cream places.

Also, PHO PASTEUR! (Avoid the evil one in the Theatre District with the radically overpriced menu, though.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

I did buy a nice whore-ish halter top at the Guess? on...Arlington St? Near Arlingston St? Anyway, that was a pleasant shopping experience in Boston. The street looked like a normal street, not like something Q-Bert might try to conquer, and the store was nice and spacious and had better sales than the NYC Guess? stores.

My worst experience in Boston was trying to get to...the Sheraton? I think? My sister was staying there. We could see it but could find no conceivable way via roads, even using our Mapquest directions and a huge atlas map, to actually GET to the Sheraton. It appeared to be dead center in a labrynth. It would've been easier to get out of the car and just walk two miles or whatever to get to it. It was insane! I was certain it was a magic trick?

xpost: ts: "you don't know what you're talking about" vs "you have different expectations for a city than I do". The hysterical "stupid tourists!" approach is just kind of proving the Bostonites as bitter, chip on shoulder defensive assholes stereotype right which is unfortunate.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

cat stevens will have no bickering.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

Hah felicity you'd love Paris. EVERYONE acts like the waiters at Durgin Park.

You guys should go to Bartley's Burger Cottage!!!! (if it's still as awesome as I remember)

Or Harvard Donut in Central Square)?? BEST FUCKIN MUFFINS EVER

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

ive seen hundreds of good shows at the middle east. its sort of a dive, but some of us don't mind.

It's not my thing; I expected different from what I received and wasn't entirely into the crowd there. Diviness or not had nothing to do with it.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

I think the Guess? store is actually on Newbury near the corner of Arlington and Newbury (and around the corner from my office).

I haven't been to Bartley's in years, but DAMN their burgers rock. Also, ANNA'S TAQUERIA!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

yeah-pho has the num num bone marrow soups! i wish the o2 bar didnt shut down across form the one in 'the garage'
& tokyo kid.anime shop~ but they may have shut down. there is another one around the corner.
million year picnic /comic shop( find any 'zine)some prefer new england comics

you peeps jsut need to follow around geeta. (from her post way upthread) she knows her stuff.

kephm, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

Also, dim sumat ChoW Chow city is U+K.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:48 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah! Newbury and Arlington! That's by your office? Sweet! Now I can come stalk you!! Except that would involve going to Boston :( :(

So anyway when we all come to Boston you guys can all chauffer us touristas around and show us all the cool shit while I stand there disgusted by the fact that you boys's idea of "cool shit" is not "shoe store" and then we'll go to good restaurant and then we will get plastered then we will retire to my hotel room and then set fire to the curtains?

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

WOAH the formatting fairy seems to have kicked me in the nuts.

"Also, dim sum at Chow Chow city is U+K."

(Berk's in Harvard Square is an excellent shoe store, by the by.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link


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