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The Black Sox scandal is objectively the worst scandal, I guess, but it's hard to get too worked up about it because it happened forever ago and the real villains in the piece (the gangsters who fixed the thing in the first place) basically got away scot free.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:18 (eight years ago) link

Baseball Scandals:

Baseball (inclusive) 1850-2010

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:18 (eight years ago) link

also would argue that the Black Sox had the most good to come out of it, one way or another? Or the perceived emergence of legitimacy of professional sport?

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:20 (eight years ago) link

xxxp Still think the Marlins are worse than the Pirates even if they do occasionally try to put together winning teams. The schtick the Marlins have pulled with Miami-Dade county to get the much needed publicly funded stadium all the while pulling in many millions in profit is gross.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:23 (eight years ago) link

I'm fine w/ Rose being considered small beer as long as he never ever gets in the HOF

(but I will probably stop caring once Steinbush gets in)

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:31 (eight years ago) link

Sex scandals--how could we forget sex scandals! Kekich/Peterson wife-swap, Boggs/Margo, Garvey and his paternity suits, Dave Stewart and Lucille (can't believe I remembered the name without looking it up...), etc.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:51 (eight years ago) link

You have strong feelings about these?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:56 (eight years ago) link

Kekich/Peterson is a pretty amazing story

Megatherium americanum (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:02 (eight years ago) link

Mostly amazing cuz Fritz Peterson and Suzanne Kekich are still married!

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:05 (eight years ago) link

You have strong feelings about these?

In terms of this poll, "strong feelings" are indeed part of the question, but in general, I don't see strong feelings as being a precondition of a good scandal. Scandals are often just eye-candy: fascinating to follow, with or without strong feelings. As PTT says, Kekich/Peterson is an amazing story (ditto the others I mentioned). I mean, who would have ever guessed that the Dodgers' Andy Hardy first baseman was secretly John Holmes?

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:09 (eight years ago) link

"I mean, who would have ever guessed that the Dodgers' Andy Hardy first baseman was secretly John Holmes?"

Most people who watched Cheers?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:13 (eight years ago) link

"I mean, who would have ever guessed that the Dodgers' Andy Hardy first baseman was secretly John Holmes?"

I don't even know what this sentence means!

Megatherium americanum (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:16 (eight years ago) link

You're saying Sam = Steve Garvey? C'mon--Sam Malone was pretty blatant about his womanizing. Garvey was God and country and Dodger Blue. Don't see a parallel there, unless your point is that one should assume any professional baseball player is a womanizer. Which seems a little drastic.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:17 (eight years ago) link

Stewart Lucille "scandal" was more amusing than really scandalous. He wasn't a big enough deal at the time to garner much attention.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:18 (eight years ago) link

I assume that all male professional athletes are womanizers.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:19 (eight years ago) link

Except for the gay ones that is.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:20 (eight years ago) link

god i wish i had remembered to include matt cain pounding a special needs kid

867-5309 (abdul) (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:57 (eight years ago) link

cleon jones getting shit and eventually released by the mets because he was caught sleeping in a van with a white woman(!) who was not his wife was the defining scandal of my youth and a fucking disgrace

buzza, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 08:10 (eight years ago) link

U.S. Investors Seek High Returns in Bets on Dominican Baseball Prospects

mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:57 (eight years ago) link

I don't think you communists understand that ppl who run a private enterprise can do whatever they like

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius)


Yes, a private enterprise, let's say, a restaurant, is perfectly within its rights to refuse service to certain people, let's say, black people.

leTeReL (Leee), Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:52 (eight years ago) link

The 81 and 94 strikes totally angered me and screwed over Reds fans twice. The Reds had the best record in baseball in 81 and didn't make the playoffs because of the screwy 1st half, 2nd half scheme they had in place for playoff positioning. It was made worse that the scummy Dodgers won it all.

earlnash, Thursday, 25 November 2010 02:17 (eight years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:01 (eight years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:01 (eight years ago) link

i'd like to hear from the strike voters

tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 06:40 (eight years ago) link

i voted white sox... poor john cusack...

Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 07:31 (eight years ago) link

I'm most surprised by Rose at #1. As I wrote above, I don't think a good scandal has to involve strong feelings, and Rose was (and is) definitely a good scandal. But I wonder if the five people who voted for it actually answered the question literally, i.e. it elicits strong feelings in them? Rose hardly even registered with me in that department. Or is it just that Rose himself elicits strong feelings? That would make more sense to me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 12:50 (eight years ago) link

owners' collusion during the free-agent era is a contender

also the major leagues before 1947

both of these urinate on the other options from a great height

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 12:59 (eight years ago) link

jajajaja

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:44 (eight years ago) link

i voted rose, and i voted literally, i.e. that his scandal evokes emotion for me. a lot of this comes from the fact that he is the first baseball player i ever knew about, and the first that i really liked. i can still remember watching a film strip in elementary school (that for some reason showed a picture of him) and saying "that's pete rose!"

sorry for the cliche, but not really: he just always seemed to put his heart into the game. always ran the bases as if his life depended on the speed, etc. i can not believe that he bet against the reds, but i do believe he bet ON them, which is questionable but imo not something to be forever shamed and punished for, and that is why i feel strongly about it. being banned from baseball, yes, but let him in the hall.

tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:50 (eight years ago) link

i mean, let me be clear: it is more than questionable. it is clearly wrong to bet on a game you are involved in in any way, it can affect your actions w/r/t that game. but compared to betting against your own team, it's just such a whole other level.

tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:52 (eight years ago) link

i voted for "this time it counts", what a load of sheiBe.

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:52 (eight years ago) link

B = capital Beta fwiw

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:53 (eight years ago) link

i don't know if this is a controversial or hated opinion on ILB, i'm new here. xpost

tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:53 (eight years ago) link

"this time it counts" isnt really a scandal though, is it?

tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:57 (eight years ago) link

Interesting about Rose. I guess he's fallen so far, it's easy to forget that at one time he was viewed by many to embody everything good about the game...unless you were Ray Fosse or Bud Harrelson...but I can definitely see where he'd be a kid favourite. I felt that way about Bench.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 03:25 (eight years ago) link

yeah. he's truly one of my favorites.

tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 03:31 (eight years ago) link

Can someone recommend a good article that covers the collusion scandal in depth?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 2 December 2010 10:45 (eight years ago) link

I thought maybe James took the issue up, but now I realize it was the Rose scandal; he wrote this really long, meticulous defense of Rose (whom James otherwise didn't have much use for) in whichever annual it was in '90 or '91. I think he may have changed his position since he wrote it.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 11:08 (eight years ago) link

i find Rose's last season as manager/1B sticking himself into late inning games to goose his hit total more offensive then betting on his guys.

sanskrit, Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:14 (eight years ago) link

why!

tim lincecum in a giants snuggie (roxymuzak), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:42 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Baseball doesn't think much of dirty Italians anyway and neither do the fans.

Hexum Enduction Hour (u s steel), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:22 (eight years ago) link

riiiight

mookieproof, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:32 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

Haven't read this yet:

http://mlb.si.com/2013/07/24/an-oral-history-of-the-pine-tar-game/?sct=uk_t11_a4

I'm almost positive I was watching that game on TV, yet 7/24/83 was a Sunday, and it was an afternoon start--where would I have gotten a Yankees/Royals game on a Sunday afternoon? I'm not even sure if there were Sunday night broadcasts then. Baffling.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:56 (six years ago) link

You've gotta watch that clip--don't know that I've ever seen an athlete more apoplectic than Brett. Priceless: it's Gaylord Perry who sneaks the bat off the field! (Finishing his career with the Royals in '83...)

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 17:05 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

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