TOMBOT and john justin should not be mods

EVERYONE is occasionally guilty of stirring shit and inventing new drama and generally not keeping it positive. That's a fact of life. The issue at hand here is whether John and Tom do it as often as the people who are getting hit with temp bans. Obviously, some people think they do and some people think they don't. Unfortunately, among the people who think they don't are the people who control/run the site; THEY are the ones you need to convince, not ILX in general. Furthermore, if your argument is based upon the fact that they banned posters that have been complained about by multiple people over an extended period of time, you are not going to be very convincing, particularly when some of these bans actually have nothing to do with them (gershy being a great example here).

If people are going to go out of their way to act like douchebags towards people with the power to ban them, they shouldn't be surprised and shocked when those people say "enough is enough" and ban them. It's not fucking rocket science. It's not really fair, either, but neither is life. Deal with it.

i've never read 77 so i can't speak for that, but to me you've always come across very supportive of many of the posters the mods have had trouble with, now and in the past. i have no personal beef with you, but i don't really understand where you're coming from sometimes with regards to this board

-- electricsound, Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:25 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is pretty weak!!! it seems to me like a lot of the mods are hiding behind "well ive never read 77 so im just going to assume that everything there is horrible cruel meta" when roughly 20% of it is meta and less than 5% is horrible or cruel

Dan I think tombot is a good mod and my posts aren't really about ppl getting banned - my issue is that Tombot (as a poster, not even as a mod) is egging on the people who are "going out of their way" to act like douchebags.

also calling mods out when they make lame decisions != being "very supportive" of any poster

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it seems to me like a lot of the mods are hiding behind "well ive never read 77 so im just going to assume that everything there is horrible cruel meta"

Max I don't think any of the mods are saying this at all.

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guess not

If people are going to go out of their way to act like douchebags towards people with the power to ban them, they shouldn't be surprised and shocked when those people say "enough is enough" and ban them.

stretching the definitions of 'going out of your way' by some margin, when a mod starts a thread calling specific posters out for no apparent reason. dom tempban was totally deserved and no-one's disputed that.

but then i don't know what set tombot off towards starting that thread, and as i've already said normally he's A++ in my book as a mod and poster.

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i don't assume anything about 77 - i only talk about what i've actually seen

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why did I have meta before breakfast

Man, is that British "food" up there before the pie?
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So much I could say, but most of it has been said, most cogently by Pash and Dan.

(And if anyone wants to see that as 'mods closing ranks' or somesuch talk, then, from the bottom of my lovely little heart, go FUCK yourself.)

And I'll leave it at that.

Seriously can we simmer down the 'us v them' shit?

please do

How private can a board be when invitations are easier to get than Thrifty Nickel flyers?

hey forks how's your "hot dog"?

n/a lovin it

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How private can a board be when invitations are easier to get than Thrifty Nickel flyers?

oh god let's not go there again

also can we do something about this raggett character, he's being a real dick

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you do know my comment was directed to tuomas and not you right?

well tuomas was pretty much directly quoting me and I don't think that's what either of us were getting at but anyway whatever fergit it k thx bye

Tumoas, Ed:

My objection to an admin log is not that it will necessarily make things worse, because I don't think that. I do think it will not make things better. Often it is couched that the only reason people are complaining about some moderator action is because there is no admin log where they could have found out, and there's an implication that there would be a lot less meta-noise if they could just see it in an admin log.

I am quite convinced that being able to see what happened will not be linked to a reduction in complaints in moderator actions, because the two don't appear linked to me. I don't think it'll make it worse, because people find out anyway, so in many ways the admin log is quite superfluous. I think this is pretty much in line with old ILX, where people did complain about things they saw in the admin log. I don't actually think the amount of complaints has increased or reduced since then.

In any event, I have written it, and will implement it once I do a few more things and I get a new broadband provider, one that works.

My main objection was to having a moderator's name associated viewable alongside an admin action, which I still object to for the reasons discussed on the admin log thread. I suspect I will object to this until my dying day.

Oh and incidentally, if it took no work to do, then I wouldn't object to doing it, even if it didn't make any difference, but it does cost me time and effort, so I like to spend that time and effort on things that aren't wasted.

TL;DR. please provide capsule review.

I don't argue that an admin log will reduce complaints overall. it's likely to increase complaints but will also reduce general queries about mod actions, so in terms of traffic it's likely to be a wash. but in a "who watches the watchmen" sense it's an important thing to have.

srsly though, thanks for taking the time and effort to code something you see no value in.

from the bottom of my lovely little heart, go FUCK yourself

Oh my gosh, Ned!!!!

You are a swell guy.

The issue at hand here is whether John and Tom do it as often as the people who are getting hit with temp bans. Obviously, some people think they do and some people think they don't. Unfortunately, among the people who think they don't are the people who control/run the site; THEY are the ones you need to convince, not ILX in general.

yeah, see, that's what i was tryna get at. i didn't mean for this to turn into a PILE ON TOM thread; this is addressed to whoever is in charge of this shit (keith? stet? idk) cuz yall need to get ur acts 2gether. tom's just a dude tryin to do a job that he doesn't have the temperament for, and that's not a slam on him at all - it's just like, y'know, starting a defensive tackle at free safety.

Cool Cankles because I am entirely supportive of Tom on this. Thanks for your support.

And JJ for that matter.

but in a "who watches the watchmen" sense it's an important thing to have.

This is true, if (a) it actually needs it and (b) if you distrusted the watchmen, who are the guys in charge of admin log, why would you trust that they (i.e. me) made sure that everything was properly recorded to the admin log?

hi

huh

well that's settled

lol what support? i'm calling you out for being the retard who put these dudes in charge in the first place!

out of curiosity, cankles, since people seem to understand doms temp ban, was there any particular reason you included me in this complaint, or were you just all riled up and living in the moment?

he was talking about john justin

that guy gets me into so many awkward situations